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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:20 am 
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Thanks Steve, I would have preferred the laminated but I definitely wanted tinted ,and the one I have is all I could find at the time. Hopefully a sundym laminated will become available, I don't want to be stripping the car out to get rid of a load of glass :?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:41 pm 
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I am working with Alun and my supplier ATM to secure a supply of tinted laminated (Sundym copy) screens for sensible money. Other sorts MAY follow, clear, top tint, heated etc, but we are up against the problems of demand, storage, shipping and minimum order quantities, so we will be getting the minimum order of sundym type laminated first as these seem most in demand. And they will most probably come on a collect only basis (from the west Midlands) since shipping them is a nightmare. Expect a lead time of 3-4 months from now for the first batch to arrive.

When you do get a laminated screen, I would be pleased to take your old toughened one off your hands, if only as a curio, but also as a safer-to-store emergency spare!

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 3:16 pm 
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MOY has a toughened screen, though the markings are faint and not at all clear to read, the only obvious giveaway is the colouring of the glass.

Various random thoughts:

Would probably be interested in a laminated screen due to the usual "toughened glass = millions of fragments in your face/down your shirt/in the heater" problem (although yesterday's news that the boiler has died terminally, in the house where my ex and kids live, has kinda dented the budget somewhat).

I've had a toughened screen go, in the original Toledo that I had in the 1980s. Stone impact, when on the M62 crossing Scammonden Dam at about 65mph, the whole windscreen caved in quite rapidly. Slightly annoying. I found the "point of impact" fragment embedded in the back seat.

If doing virtually any form of MSA or FIA regulated motorsport, a laminated windscreen is indeed mandatory if it is glass - I assume the Castle Combe photo of the Carledo is a track day? A monolithic polycarbonate windscreen is permitted though, so long as it's at least 4mm thick.

In stage rallying you are required to put a clear laminate film on the side and rear glass to reduce the fragment hazard - I wonder if it'd be worth experimenting with the same on a toughened windscreen? Yes a potential problem with wiper marks, but...

Steve, on the Carledo, what hubs are you running? I haven't measured them but I'm pretty sure my R25/MG ZR wheels would not fit onto MOY!

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:10 pm 
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I assume the Castle Combe photo of the Carledo is a track day?

Steve, on the Carledo, what hubs are you running? I haven't measured them but I'm pretty sure my R25/MG ZR wheels would not fit onto MOY!
Yes it is a trackday pic, the "All Triumph Trackday " organised by the TR Register - Great fun, there is another coming up at the end of June.

I only do trackdays and run-what-ya-brung Dragstrip public trackdays. MSA and FIA approved stuff being too expensive for my almost non existent budget! In general, they don't seem to offer much track time for your £100+ per day plus fuel and travel expenses, 3 or 4x2 minute ish runs up a hill or 3-4 single laps of a circuit doesn't strike me as good value! Plus very few official events welcome my b'stard hybrid of a car. Not to mention all the "must have" stuff they insist on, fireproofs, special helmet, shoes, roll cages, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. And of course, laminated glass!

The last ATTD i did, I got 90mins of track time in 6x15 min sessions at Coombe, and could possibly have had 1 or 2 more, well worth the trip for £110! And Shakespeare County Raceway will give you unlimited runs for £20 a day (subject to queue length and weather)

The Carledo is running ordinary common or garden late Sprint hubs with 7/16" Studs at 95.25mm PCD(3.75"). The wheels are MGF (NOT TF) which obviously match! TF rims and your ZR rims are, IIRC, 4x100, so no they won't fit, not even with a big hammer!

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:23 am 
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Are windscreens not available on your insurance? Can they actually get hold of them or will my car be off the road for months waiting for one to be found or made? Perhaps the issue is that they only make clear currently.


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:01 am 
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Are windscreens not available on your insurance? Can they actually get hold of them or will my car be off the road for months waiting for one to be found or made? Perhaps the issue is that they only make clear currently.
The issue is that if you break any sort of Dolomite screen at the moment, the only way to get a NEW one is to approach Pilkington glass. They will happily make you one. But there is a roughly 6 week lead time on 1-offs and the price (last I heard) is a stonking £475 + vat!
Of course if you have glass cover on your insurance, the insurance company is honour bound to cover the cost, though it will make them squirm a bit and your premiums will probably rise as a result (despite glass cover being outside the NCD loss zone, they can always find a way) and of course there is nothing you can do about the wait, except wait it out :?

Once our screens come on line, they should be available from stock, so no lead time and they will be (hopefully) less than half the price of the Pilkingtons offering, so if you do need to make a claim you can just tell your insurers where to get one from!

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:28 am 
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Yes it is a trackday pic, the "All Triumph Trackday " organised by the TR Register - Great fun, there is another coming up at the end of June.

I only do trackdays and run-what-ya-brung Dragstrip public trackdays. MSA and FIA approved stuff being too expensive for my almost non existent budget! In general, they don't seem to offer much track time for your £100+ per day plus fuel and travel expenses, 3 or 4x2 minute ish runs up a hill or 3-4 single laps of a circuit doesn't strike me as good value! Plus very few official events welcome my b'stard hybrid of a car. Not to mention all the "must have" stuff they insist on, fireproofs, special helmet, shoes, roll cages, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. And of course, laminated glass!

The last ATTD i did, I got 90mins of track time in 6x15 min sessions at Coombe, and could possibly have had 1 or 2 more, well worth the trip for £110! And Shakespeare County Raceway will give you unlimited runs for £20 a day (subject to queue length and weather)

The Carledo is running ordinary common or garden late Sprint hubs with 7/16" Studs at 95.25mm PCD(3.75"). The wheels are MGF (NOT TF) which obviously match! TF rims and your ZR rims are, IIRC, 4x100, so no they won't fit, not even with a big hammer!

Steve
I do take your point completely about the amount of track time you get for your money - but I've never really fancied a track day, I like the whole thing of measuring yourself against other people and competing against them. My hillclimb/sprint car is only a 1.4 - but on occasion I can give the slower 2-litre cars a scare :shock: which is very gratifying :D thankfully not had too many moments leading to a swift change of overalls :oops:

With the Carledo you would have to run in Formula Libre and yes, they can be a bit picky about some of the mods. For me the roadgoing series production class is the best of all worlds - I'm slow so I get more track time for my money :D and the admin is less, no need for HANS and the dedicated helmet, new belts and new seat that would inevitably also be required.

Thanks for the tip re MGF - I assumed they were the same PCD as the TF and R25/R45/ZR/ZS. Hmmm, shopping time maybe :D

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Toledo JJB923K (burgundy 2-door)
Dolomite xxxyyyT (blue 1850HL)
Dolomite TRX773M (white 1850)
Dolomite xxxyyyR (white 1500HL)
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Well I'm sourcing a set of MG spare steels from a local MG breaker and he tells me they are the same PCD. I'll find out this weekend for certain as the set he's selling me are currently holding up a TF from which he's sold the alloys...


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One of the quick and simple ways to identify a zone-toughened windscreen, is to view it wearing spectacles or sunglasses fitted with Polaroid lenses, which shows coloured striations in the windscreen glass.

If and when they become available, I rather fancy an electrically-heated laminated windscreen, with upper blue-tinted band, for my 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 "HL", to replace the present Solaglas laminated windscreen, with upper blue-tinted band, which during the mid-1980s, replaced my "original" Triplex laminated windscreen when it was stone-damaged.

http://www.heatedwindscreen.com/

http://www.uroglas.com/heated.html

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Thanks for the thread revival; I can now confirm MG TF wheels as well as MGF wheels fit Dolomite PCD


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Thanks for the thread revival; I can now confirm MG TF wheels as well as MGF wheels fit Dolomite PCD
Can you also confirm the wheel-rim widths and wheel-offsets, associated with the various wheels and the rear wheel-arch's inboard & outboard clearances, with the various wheel and tyre combinations!?!

Even with a 185/55 R15 tyre on a 5½J x 15 inch alloy wheel, with a nominally 31 mm wheel-offset, there doesn't seem to be much rear wheel-arch, outboard clearance, on my 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 "HL".

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With reference to electrically-heated front windscreens, Uroglass and Ricky Evans Motorsport state the following:

Uroglass

Our windscreens come from the same factory that boasts o.e.m supply to names as Large as Lotus, VW and Bentley so you can be sure you’re buying a quality product. We are always open to new projects so if you’d like to see a heated windscreen manufactured for your car please get in touch and we’ll talk you through the process. If you represent a race team or low volume manufacture we’d be glad to offer you prices on larger quantities to meet your own need or for you to resell to your customers.

Ricky Evans Motorsport

If you don't already make a heated windscreen for my vehicle can you look at making them? Our favourite question! Yes we can, just let us know what it is you are looking for and how many you require and we will do our best to come up with a cost effective solution.

The big question, is how many windscreens would need to be ordered to make such a project viable!?!

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With reference to electrically-heated front windscreens, Uroglass and Ricky Evans Motorsport state the following:

Uroglass

Our windscreens come from the same factory that boasts o.e.m supply to names as Large as Lotus, VW and Bentley so you can be sure you’re buying a quality product. We are always open to new projects so if you’d like to see a heated windscreen manufactured for your car please get in touch and we’ll talk you through the process. If you represent a race team or low volume manufacture we’d be glad to offer you prices on larger quantities to meet your own need or for you to resell to your customers.

Ricky Evans Motorsport

If you don't already make a heated windscreen for my vehicle can you look at making them? Our favourite question! Yes we can, just let us know what it is you are looking for and how many you require and we will do our best to come up with a cost effective solution.

The big question, is how many windscreens would need to be ordered to make such a project viable!?!
What do you think the cost would be for a heated front screen ?

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Thanks for the thread revival; I can now confirm MG TF wheels as well as MGF wheels fit Dolomite PCD
Can you also confirm the wheel-rim widths and wheel-offsets, associated with the various wheels and the rear wheel-arch's inboard & outboard clearances, with the various wheel and tyre combinations!?!

Even with a 185/55 R15 tyre on a 5½J x 15 inch alloy wheel, with a nominally 31 mm wheel-offset, there doesn't seem to be much rear wheel-arch, outboard clearance, on my 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 "HL".
I don't think this is really the place for this question to have been asked, surely "Dolomite Related" is more appropriate,
anyhow the MGF steel wheels are 14x5.5J. Offhand I don't know the offset but will try measuring it tomorrow.
What I can confirm is that these wheels with 185/65 tyres give clearance on a Sprint (and in fact fill the arches better than Sprint alloys).


http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/group2/su ... he_mgf.htm



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Thanks for the thread revival; I can now confirm MG TF wheels as well as MGF wheels fit Dolomite PCD
Can you also confirm the wheel-rim widths and wheel-offsets, associated with the various wheels and the rear wheel-arch's inboard & outboard clearances, with the various wheel and tyre combinations!?!

Even with a 185/55 R15 tyre on a 5½J x 15 inch alloy wheel, with a nominally 31 mm wheel-offset, there doesn't seem to be much rear wheel-arch, outboard clearance, on my 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 "HL".
I don't think this is really the place for this question to have been asked, surely "Dolomite Related" is more appropriate,
anyhow the MGF steel wheels are 14x5.5J. Offhand I don't know the offset but will try measuring it tomorrow.

What I can confirm is that these wheels with 185/65 tyres give clearance on a Sprint (and in fact fill the arches better than Sprint alloys).

http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/group2/su ... he_mgf.htm

Ian.
Such a question had been posted in the following thread, but so far there has been no response:

Board index » The Triumph Dolomite Club » Dolomite-related [Start here!] » MGF WHEELS

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33153

I am not trying to fill the wheel arches, but ensure appropriate clearances between the wheel & tyre assembly and the adjacent wheel-arches & suspension components, under all conceivable driving conditions. Using 185/65 R15 tyres, is predicted to give the overall effective engine gearing I seek, whilst also employing 65-Series tyres for minimum rolling resistance, as well as good overall handing and ride comfort.

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