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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:10 pm 
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I got it running very briefly so I'd edging ever closer...

I've got a week off work so I'm hoping to make some more progress.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:57 pm 
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I reinstated the rubber carb mounts and it hasn't made much difference. I'm seriously considering either fitting points and a condenser to the Sprint dizzy or reinstating the original Delco dizzy. I have plenty of sets of Delco points from the parts haul so I can swap out the points. Unfortunately, I don't think that I have a Lucas condenser. I'm so close to getting the engine running and I'm edging ever closer each time.

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Meetings take place on the 1st Wednesday of every month at The Hollies Sports & Social Club, 12 Hough Lane, Bramley, Leeds, LS13 3NE
1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - The rolling restoration)
2008 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (MA08 WCL - the modern)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:08 pm 
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Why did you change to the Sprint dizzy? The delco one's fine.

I found it pretty easy to change the points and set the gap, I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I probably found it easier than on a Sprint.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:59 pm 
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Why did you change to the Sprint dizzy? The delco one's fine.

I found it pretty easy to change the points and set the gap, I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I probably found it easier than on a Sprint.
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Agree 100 % . The Delco dizzy is a masterpiece of high voltage engineering. Cap + rotor arm is really well designed. Combine that with a Lumenition optronic electronic ign and a 12V coil and you won't have many problems.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:02 am 
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The points on the Sprint dizzy are easier to get to. In an 1850 I have to use a 45D4 cap & rotor arm with the 1850 HT leads.

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Meetings take place on the 1st Wednesday of every month at The Hollies Sports & Social Club, 12 Hough Lane, Bramley, Leeds, LS13 3NE
1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - The rolling restoration)
2008 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (MA08 WCL - the modern)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com

"I can help you stop smoking in bed. Buy a water bed and fill it with petrol." - Bob Monkhouse OBE (1928-2003)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:53 am 
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I'd agree with Tony. You can do the points easilly enough if you take the weights off. Condensor is the issue, but you can get round that with a maplin kit.

Your failure point will then be only points cam wear...

The Sprint dizzy advance curve is not right for an 1850 - doesnt advance enough.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:18 pm 
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If I can find a Lucas 45D4 condenser I can leave the 44D4 dizzy in. When I first fitted the 44D4 I git the engine running on point before I fitted the Britpart kit. I ended up donating the points and condenser to a Dolly 1300 owner at a recent TDCIR (I think it was the 2014 one which was in Cheshire). I'm aware of the differing advance curves and this doesn't bother me in the slightest. I do have the option of reinstating the Delco.

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Meetings take place on the 1st Wednesday of every month at The Hollies Sports & Social Club, 12 Hough Lane, Bramley, Leeds, LS13 3NE
1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - The rolling restoration)
2008 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (MA08 WCL - the modern)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com

"I can help you stop smoking in bed. Buy a water bed and fill it with petrol." - Bob Monkhouse OBE (1928-2003)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:24 am 
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There's one thing that seems to have been overlooked. The fuel is probably stale by now so I might try some fresh fuel before attempting another start up.

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Meetings take place on the 1st Wednesday of every month at The Hollies Sports & Social Club, 12 Hough Lane, Bramley, Leeds, LS13 3NE
1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - The rolling restoration)
2008 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (MA08 WCL - the modern)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com

"I can help you stop smoking in bed. Buy a water bed and fill it with petrol." - Bob Monkhouse OBE (1928-2003)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:00 pm 
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There's one thing that seems to have been overlooked. The fuel is probably stale by now so I might try some fresh fuel before attempting another start up.
Seems unlikely, hasn't been stood for that long. I assume you've checked your timing is not 180 degrees out? You might have lined up with your mark but how do you know which stroke the engine is on? If you're trying to spark at the wrong place you'll never get it running.

I would seriously consider fitting the right distributor too. I think you're making things harder for yourself. As has been said, it won't work correctly with your car anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:38 pm 
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Change the plugs. So do not clean but fit new ones. They can go faulty after many attempts of starting.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:23 pm 
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Change the plugs. So do not clean but fit new ones. They can go faulty after many attempts of starting.

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Noooo, he needs to clean the car inside and out first. A clean car is a happy car and will thus start first time every time!


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It doesn't like it's new coat, it's the most significant thing that has changed.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:04 pm 
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For the sake of a condenser and a set of points, thats about a tenner, I can't see what is holding it back.

There is already a load of advice in this thread on how to prime an engine that has been standing and how to systematically set the timing with confidence.

Its not that tricky, you need fuel, a spark, and then you put them together at the right time.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:58 am 
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What cam timing mark do you use to have the rotor on cil 1?

There's a small line and a cutout in the camshaft both can be identified as a "mark".

You need the thin line aligned to the mark on the bearing cap.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:50 pm 
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I pushed it into Jo's garage so I could work in relative comfort. I removed the electronic ignition and fitted a set of points and condenser that I'd bought from my local Moss. With a fully charge battery it would crank over but wouldn't fire. I wasn't even getting a spark at the points so I did the unthinkable and refitted the Delco dizzy. I set the engine position (10 deg BTDC) and adjusted the dizzy using my test light (bulb holder from a Dolly rear light unit and a couple of wires which I had to repair before I could use it). It still wouldn't fire. I seem to be getting a weak spark but there's so much I can do on my own (Adam would come and go when I was spannering and points igniton & carbs are a dark art to him). I was unable to set the points gap properly because my feeler gauges had rusted. In the end I had to admit defeat and called it a night. It wasn't a total loss because I managed to fit the rest of the chrome trim and the car now has a full compliment of chrome trim bar the "feet" at the ends of the trim that goes round the rear window and I'm missing the offside sill strip. There were some clips in the parts haul so I didn't have to buy any more clips.

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Meetings take place on the 1st Wednesday of every month at The Hollies Sports & Social Club, 12 Hough Lane, Bramley, Leeds, LS13 3NE
1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - The rolling restoration)
2008 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (MA08 WCL - the modern)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com

"I can help you stop smoking in bed. Buy a water bed and fill it with petrol." - Bob Monkhouse OBE (1928-2003)


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