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POE the 27k mile Sprint
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Author:  killysprint [ Thu May 18, 2017 12:57 pm ]
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Wow!!! - can't wait to see the finished article. Will be a beast!

One word of caution - Cooling. The LS motors seem to create a lot of it.

I work for a group that includes a race car manufacturer. They are building LMP2/3 type cars with LS motors in them now, replacing previous V8's from another manufacturer.
They've had to increase the cooling capacity of the car significantly over the previous motor since installing the LS engines, due to amount of extra heat they produce. But the extra work has been worth it as the motors are so robust.

In a similar vain, my brother has a thing for LS motors.
He's got a Overfinch Range rover classic (5.7 LS1?) and a full fat Twisted Defender (manual) with a tuned LS3 - fabulous car, but boy like the situation at work, the motor creates some heat. They've had a number of issues with, and caused by the under bonnet temperatures, and cooling the damn thing. Hopefully now it's sorted though, after adding some heat shielding, different rated fluids, increasing the size of the rad and putting some subtle louvres in the bonnet.

But like your sprint, when finished, all the hassle is (will be) well worth it, for the grim factor just from the noise, let alone the grunt!

best of luck!

Author:  bodgerben [ Thu May 18, 2017 9:07 pm ]
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Thanks for the cooling tips, I'll keep them in mind.

I keep thinking the Scimitar should have had a LS - it probably would have been less hassle than the 1UZ, but at the time I ddn't have the funds.

My brother has just finshed putting a Daimler V8 in his SE4 and is doing a full rebuild on a 107 Station wagon, again with a Daimler V8 but using all the standard Landy' mounting points.
I only recently learnt that the SP250 used a Standard gearbox, so the Dolly Sprint box can be used to bolt straight up to a Daimler V8 and people still offer them as manual conversion kits for Daimlers, I suppose they are fine in the light SP250.

I'm not sure what axle to fit, we have some Scimitar and MKII Jag axles, one of those may go in, or maybe a TR7 axle??

Font hubs and brakes will need some work, again, on the Scim we ditched the Triumph trunnions and put a XJS set of ball joints on, I did run with XJS brakes up until last year when I put a nice alloy set on, (those Jag brakes are heavy!) the guys at Spax made up a custom set of their TrakSpax dampers that I'm chuffed with, I'll get them to make a custom set for POE.

I was talking to Rob (SprintSpeed) a while back and it got around to the LS, it does appear a great reliable way into some serious power.

Author:  Carledo [ Thu May 18, 2017 10:13 pm ]
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For an axle choice, how about a 3.08 TR8 LSD? With a tiny bit of fettling, I reckon one of these could be made to fit the original suspension pick up points on the car and the tall ratio will suit the lazy V8. I saw one on the bay of E a year or two ago, rebuilt and with a rear disc conversion for about £800 which, though outside my budget, seemed very reasonable!

Steve

Author:  bodgerben [ Fri May 19, 2017 9:42 pm ]
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Steve, when I said TR7 axle, I really meant TR7/V8 - the 3.08 works a treat with a TR, a couple of the many I had back in the day :

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I like this blue P button :)

Author:  bodgerben [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:13 pm ]
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The rear axle has been confirmed, we have definately decided on a MK2 Jag 4HA, mounting points on the axle to be the same as the Dolly axle, some mounting point strengthing will be required to the body.

Workshop is prepared for the conversion - the Daimler engined 107 Station wagon needs to be finished, but Daimler engined SE4, normal SE4 and Lexus SE6 should be at the Cranleigh show, I need to fix an oil leak on the remote filter on the 1UZFE, if I can't I'll take POE.

POE is in the body shop for coloured arches and pin stripes and is booked in for EZPower steering electic assistance, which will be needed for the LS. The power steering is to be done in August.

I've tried to explain to Caroline that I need the 585bhp LS - she quite correctly says 420 is enough to start with, I won't have the traction anyway and will simply melt tyres.

Loads of stuff sold already, including the 2 door which has put half into the fund, the budget is currently 20k, to put that into perspective, the 1UZFE into the Scim was 10k and that was a second hand engine/box, the Porsche engine/gearbox build was 40k (not brakes, suspension etc) so as with everything, the budget may get hammered.

I have a bit more to go before I buy the engine and gearbox, but getting the thumbs up and slot booked in after the 107 is great, already trying to sort silencers under the seats and at the very rear, dash, throttle and gearbox linkages and we may well use the 911 Turbo's original brakes front and rear as we upgraded those on Caroline's car and the MK2 axle is already disk.

Just got a blinding deal on cloth BMW 3 series seats that will be fitted, the original arm chairs will finally be retired. I did look at Recaro's but at over a grand a piece they will have to wait.

Pics when back from the body shop.

Engine, ecu, gearbox etc all to come from http://www.partsworldperformance.com/

I hope to have most stuff this year, with a winter build.

POE is a ringer, I applied for the build cert this year, which came back as a white Dolly Sprint Auto build in Sept 76, so these mods won't affect POE, the log book has been updated to Blue with a Manual gearbox. When we cut the rear arches off, there was no evidence of the body ever being white, she's not the first and won't be the last ringer.

Author:  Carledo [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:57 pm ]
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This is gonna be EVIL!!! :twisted:

Interesting to learn that it used to be auto, now you too can share the stick I get for hot rodding a rare auto Sprint! :lol:

Steve

PS, remind me not to drag race you in mine! (I don't enjoy losing!)

Author:  Jon Tilson [ Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:23 pm ]
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No thoughts on using a Jag V8? Interestingly the Daimler bigger V8 dragged a mk10 round Mira at 130 back in the sixties.

Jag stopped building it for very petty reasons....:-) Turner knew what he was doing. Sadly rotten Majestoc Majors with engine are hard to
come by these days...

Jag V8's will do the numbers especially with a supercharger. X308's and S types are never going to be cheaper.

Jonners

Author:  new to this [ Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:25 pm ]
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The rear axle has been confirmed, we have definately decided on a MK2 Jag 4HA, mounting points on the axle to be the same as the Dolly axle, some mounting point strengthing will be required to the body.

Workshop is prepared for the conversion - the Daimler engined 107 Station wagon needs to be finished, but Daimler engined SE4, normal SE4 and Lexus SE6 should be at the Cranleigh show, I need to fix an oil leak on the remote filter on the 1UZFE, if I can't I'll take POE.

POE is in the body shop for coloured arches and pin stripes and is booked in for EZPower steering electic assistance, which will be needed for the LS. The power steering is to be done in August.

I've tried to explain to Caroline that I need the 585bhp LS - she quite correctly says 420 is enough to start with, I won't have the traction anyway and will simply melt tyres.

Loads of stuff sold already, including the 2 door which has put half into the fund, the budget is currently 20k, to put that into perspective, the 1UZFE into the Scim was 10k and that was a second hand engine/box, the Porsche engine/gearbox build was 40k (not brakes, suspension etc) so as with everything, the budget may get hammered.

I have a bit more to go before I buy the engine and gearbox, but getting the thumbs up and slot booked in after the 107 is great, already trying to sort silencers under the seats and at the very rear, dash, throttle and gearbox linkages and we may well use the 911 Turbo's original brakes front and rear as we upgraded those on Caroline's car and the MK2 axle is already disk.

Just got a blinding deal on cloth BMW 3 series seats that will be fitted, the original arm chairs will finally be retired. I did look at Recaro's but at over a grand a piece they will have to wait.

Pics when back from the body shop.

Engine, ecu, gearbox etc all to come from http://www.partsworldperformance.com/

I hope to have most stuff this year, with a winter build.

POE is a ringer, I applied for the build cert this year, which came back as a white Dolly Sprint Auto build in Sept 76, so these mods won't affect POE, the log book has been updated to Blue with a Manual gearbox. When we cut the rear arches off, there was no evidence of the body ever being white, she's not the first and won't be the last ringer.
I picked up a set of alfa seats (leather) but cant work out how to get the seat runners of,and at the week end found some saab 9-3 seats,so which ever ones i can get in will be fitted,are you getting the power steering as a kit ?

Dave

Author:  bodgerben [ Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:31 pm ]
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To answer a few questions - yes I did think about a Jag/Audi/Porsche V8 the trouble with modern jap/euorpean V8's is the DOHC layout, they are just too darn wide.

We had a load of grief with the 1UZFE in the Scim due to width and there's more room in a Scim than a Dolly.
So old school push rod it is.

I did consider a small Daimler lump, it will bolt straight up to the Sprint gearbox (I didn't know that until recently), but it does weight a lot more than the Sprint lump, for not much more power (but a fair bit more low down torque), the Scim is nearly 300bhp/lbft and the 911 is well over 600lbft, so 2-300 just wont do.

I've not been able to find a 4.5 Daimler for sensible money - they do come out about the same as a crate Chevy lump, and weight even more, TBH I may as well go for an iron mouse motor.

I've spoken to a few people using Russ Carpenter engines (2.5s), great as they are they are like a few of us, getting a bit old, still very attractive, powerful(ish) lumps. But, I really want a fit and forget lump.

Similar goes with Rovers, for the money, they are not great value.

A Nissan 350/370Z V6 is nice and small, heck, you could buy a decent car a swap everything, but it's a V6, so discounted.

Daft as it seems, I did think about a very nice late 200SX - you can pick up original low mileage examples for well under 10k - but that's getting to be a semi classic. Modern turbo's and injectors etc, a SR20DET can make 400+, but, it's still a four pot, I'm after low down grunt.

Auto - actually - she was Auto and may continue to be - why fit a six speed manual with far too much torque, old school large engines (even the Daimler V8250) had D2 - just two gears (OK D did give 3, but you could just use 2), and more modern stuff (with electric assistance) is looking to use torque converters rather than gears, four forward is plenty. If I can find a suitable 4 speed manual I may go for that, but the auto's are cheap and I can always change later.

Power steering - EZPower Steering do lots of classics, but they did say, 'to be honest we've not done a Dolly, they, are hmmm. maybe not worth enough...' it's not cheap (think nice presentable car price) but, I'm now extremely lazy, I send the column (yup, I do have lots of spares) off to them, they fit the motor, and I fit the column. Lots of pics/measurements involved. I will share once done.

Seats - I will keep the BMW runners and modify the car to suit. When I say I, I mean, if it's not simple, it goes into the body shop to hack the floor.

Just got back from seeing the car being prepped, very nice it is too, shame my Nokia 6210i doesn't have a camera, but it should be back at the weekend.

Author:  Carledo [ Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:53 am ]
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I spoke to the EZpower Steering guy at the restoration show on exactly the same subject and got near exactly the same reply! He said i'd be looking at close to £2k for the prototype! So I'm back to messing about with MGF and Corsa bits to try and do it for a reasonable price!

If you are going back to a slushbox Ben, I have a spare Auto brake pedal assembly! Is a TH400 too old school for an LS3?

Steve

Author:  bodgerben [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:00 pm ]
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Thanks for the brake pedal offer Steve, I may take you up on that.

I really don't see the need for a six speed manual and all that torque.

EZpowerSteering - closer to 3k, Mike must have sniffed out a few more pound notes. Still, provided he can do what's needed it may well help others doing it DIY.

I hope to pick up POE this weekend, the bodyshop http://candscoachworks.co.uk/ said that they have never had so much interest in a Triumph, POE does look the mutts, they are doing a great job finishing off the arches and a complete swage line down paint.

C&S currently have a load of moderns and a load of classics (911, Alfa, Mercs) - Chris, the owner is a FWD nut, he's doing a nut and bolt on his grandads and a spare he picked up locally, they are very blooming nice.

Author:  bodgerben [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:56 pm ]
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POE is back from C&S coachworks and I've refitted the bumpers and took her to Cranleigh classic car show on 13th and Capel on 20th (along with the Scims). The old banger is looking rather good now.

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There's a few more pics at the end of this link :

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Author:  oily66 [ Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:40 pm ]
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looking sharp Ben :eyes4u:

Author:  bodgerben [ Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:10 pm ]
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And now for sale on ebay.

The LS3 engine will be going into another dolly, I got speaking to a chap putting a small block in his and the amount of work he's done, then checked with James - yup, we'd knacker POE's bulkhead and floor pan. So a less pretty car will be used. James is happier as he doesn't need to be so careful when fitting the running gear.

Author:  Jon Tilson [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:55 am ]
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Nice add too...

Being anally retentive I'm surprised about you saying the original block was knackered jacko bearing wise as when Paul J brought it round to mine years ago it already had a davis craig setup. I wonder why it went as its usually duff water pump fitting with bad clearances that knackers the jackshaft.

I guess given the work done you have to go for it but you will achieve almost a record Sprint price if you get a sale. Best of luck etc.....:-)


Jonners

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