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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:40 pm 
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I just noticed in the Wikipedia entry it says full production of dolomites started in October 72.
How come one of mine is about the 5000th made and was registered in April 72 on a K plate.
I also have one in the 20000 range build on December 27th 72 and registered April 73.

Wonder what was considered as full production? I would have thought 5000 was enough for a decent start.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:47 pm 
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Jonners, that is definitely wrong. As some of us already know, the launch of the Dolomite (1850) was delayed due to strikes so it would've been launced in 1971 were it not for the strikes. The K suffix registration predates October 1972 so it blows that out of the water completely. My own 1850 was registered about that time which also rubbishes it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:42 pm 
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I think it means that the expected production rate, i.e. full production, wasn't achieved until 72. What it says on AROnline is "In fact, the Dolomite was ready for introduction by late 1970, but because of mounting industrial strife, the launch was put back until 1971. Disappointingly, stikes [sic] at Canley and Speke ensured that Triumph could not build up enough Dolomite stock..." Since this AROnline article is already used as a reference, I'll have a go at changing the production start date and adding it in that section, and see if it sticks.

As a matter of interest, there's a copy of the Daily Express Motor Show Review 1972 Motor Show for 1973 Cars that's used as a reference for this section, and presumably that full production wasn't achived till 72, on eBay at the moment for £7.99.

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Slight problem - the AROnline article doesn't give a month for the start of production in 71, just October 71 for the launch. Since I'm replaceing Anybody got a date for this? Any BMIHT certs for an early 1850 might help, if there's no citable ref for the production start date.

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Factory 1977 TR7 Sprint FHC VVC 697S (Now all of, but still needs putting together)
B&Y 73 Dolomite Sprint UVB 274M (kids!)
1970 Maroon 13/60 Herald Convertable (wife's fun car).


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 Post subject: Re: Wikipedia Entry
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:08 am 
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I once saw a really early WF I think in the 100's and that was on a K plate so must have been registered after August 71.

Mine is April reg and around 5000 as I said. I dont remember them being launched in 71 - I reckon it was early 72 but
its a long time ago....

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 Post subject: Re: Wikipedia Entry
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:56 am 
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It's weird. All the online refs I can find have launch in October 71, but only state full production achieved in Oct. 72. Presumably, if they had production cars for the launch, some production, rather than preproduction, happened before Oct 71. I'll ring the BMIHT today, and see if they can given me any build dates. I can then reference their archives.

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Factory 1977 TR7 Sprint FHC VVC 697S (Now all of, but still needs putting together)
B&Y 73 Dolomite Sprint UVB 274M (kids!)
1970 Maroon 13/60 Herald Convertable (wife's fun car).


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Does anybody remember the oldest known surviving 1850? It was WF929 (WOD 850K) which was rescued by Roy (triple tango). It was registered in Jan 72 which meant it was built in 1971. The resto thread is HERE

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1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - The rolling restoration)
2008 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (MA08 WCL - the modern)
2004 Volkswagen Polo Twist (PK54 JYG - a new project car)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

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 Post subject: Re: Wikipedia Entry
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:18 pm 
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Just spoken to one of the BMIHT Archivists, who tells me the build records for the first 58 cars are missing, but they have some dispatch records for them. However, they haven't anyone to go look and get any of the dates from the fiches. He also said that they don't have much info to hand immediately, because they don't get anywhere near as many requests for saloons as they do for sports cars, like the TRs, etc.

So if we want to correct this Wiki article, we either need what Wikipedia considered to be a "reliable source", like a build record search certificate for a very early car, or someone's gotta go and trawl the BMIHT records at Gaydon. Sorry.

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The 16v Slant 4 engine is more fun than the 3.5 V8, because you mostly drive it on the upslope of the torque curve.

Factory 1977 TR7 Sprint FHC VVC 697S (Now all of, but still needs putting together)
B&Y 73 Dolomite Sprint UVB 274M (kids!)
1970 Maroon 13/60 Herald Convertable (wife's fun car).


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:02 pm 
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The emerald green one I saw at the Ace meet about 4 years ago was much earlier. It may even have been sub 100.

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