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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:17 pm 
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No immediate plans to do this, but does any one know of an easy fit modern engine that goes in a dolomite. I was chatting to someone the other day about engine swaps, and although I have no desire to swap my triumph engines out - I would if for some reason it enabled me to get round any of the daft proposals that come up every now and again to get old cars off the road. If they do it based on emissions, a modern engine will pass them and I can keep my pretty looking dolly on the road.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:23 pm 
Unfortunately there's no such thing as an easy engine swap (even sometimes from the same manufacturer!)

However, there are a few options. I've pasted my replies to this when it came up in a previous thread, to give you some ideas :) All of them are replete with RWD gearboxes as standard, to aid installation.

Always got the MX5 1.6s and 1.8s, nice wedge of power with turbocharging, also as they're RWD install already they come with a sweet 5 speeder, also quite light.

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Same applies for the BMW 318iS engine if you're looking for a 'simpler' swap but it's always going to be difficult. That's a 130BHP screamer, so would sit nicely in place of the OEM 16 valver if you were looking for something that was just a bit more reliable and thrashable.

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An MX5 engine with 3 months warranty for 350 from a reputed dealer, 318iS engines can be had off the bay quite nicely and to a degree keeps the characteristics of the car without the need for hyping up everything else - brakes, altering steering, powertrain, things like that.

You could even run them on Webers

On this basis - and that they're compact, willing, rear-drive units, I reckon they're good engines for it.

There is also the Nissan option.

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A strong, turbocharged 4 cylinder with a tough 5 speeder behind it. Makes about 180BHP when tweaked, as standard around 130-140 - but there are ceilings with it, bottom ends are weaker than it's bigger brother, the ...

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RB20 DET - Effectively the full on RB26 engine from the all-dominating Skyline, shod of two cylinders.

These will easily tune to 400BHP but as standard makes 214BHP at 6600RPM and has all the entertaining noises of a turbo lump.

And one has already been fitted into a Sprint - but who knows how much work was done!


Options that don't originally come fitted with a rear-drive box but are highly recommended :

- Vauxhall XE or C20LET (Ask Smifter about that :D)
- Ford Zetec 1.8 or 2.0
- Toyota 4AGE from an MR2 (or equivalent with rear-drive box, such as from an early Corolla)
- Ford Duratec.

Those are about the only ones I'd go for .....on the basis that they're all well tried and tested and have excellent tuning options. You can buy bellhousings for the above boxes to convert them with off-the-shelf parts but you'll still have some fun sorting out hydraulics, cooling, wiring and ignition systems.

Have to install a new fuelling system as well for any modern EFi engine, swirl pots, high pressure pumps, high pressure lines and a return line.

I may have missed some, I'll add them if I remember.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:25 pm 
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Perfect Lewis, many thanks, printed it off for the future!


(In my mini days I remember easy swaps - you could drop 1300 lumps from the austin 1300s in very easily and you could put an MG Metro engine in in a day without any real effort, they were pretty much the same engine though so I guess that doesn't count!)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:29 pm 
Oh forgot to mention - cheap but useable, the Ford twink (inline DOHC four) out of Granadas/Scorpios and some Sierras. Not a particularly thrilling engine and I wouldn't bother with it if you were going to the hassle but it's a tough unit and quite serviceable :)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:34 pm 
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There isn't a Modern engine that's fall's straight in or everyone (Nearly) would of done it allready.
But there's no reason why a Dolomite should fail it's test if the engine set up correctly to start with.
A tweak with the mixture screw whilst waiting for the test can work wonder's and you could always simply tweak it back after the test.
Or find a friendly MOT tester.
Also note that VOSA (There in charge of the MOT's at all garage) are planing to link the emission's(Computer linked) with the Vosa/DVLA database.
The early chain driven Ford engine is a no no use the later belt driven one far better.



Test according to which is older, engine or vehicle.
e.g. A 1995 car fitted with a 1991 engine (of whatever make), test to 1991 standards for emission purposes.
Mine will be tested on the year 1980 but it's a 1996 engine which should past with ease.
Note: The onus is on the vehicle presenter
to prove engine age.


Many modern vehicles will normally run well below the MOT limits. Where such a vehicle just passes the MOT test, but the tester knows that it is capable of more efficient operation, the owner should be informed. Vehicles should normally be tuned to the manufacturer's recommended settings wherever possible, but tuning is not part of the MOT test.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:40 pm 
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More good advice Phil.......I will be ready for the tuning lesson, or looking for a friendly MOT tester around April!

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Or there's the Honda S2000, 240bhp out of the box (Smitfter was looking at doing this one once). Not easily tuneable as most of the power has already been tweaked from it but there are a few supercharged ones been done (330 bhp ish).

A very reliable engine although a second hand engine, g/box & ECU will set you back over 2k.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:41 pm 
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340BHP there. Not bad! Bout 285ATW :)

Not sure what slinging another 30kg out the nose of the S2000 will do to it's handling mind, being such a finely balanced car :)


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:20 pm 
david, there is a classic car friendly station in shirley that chris curtis uses, i have heard good things about him so will use him for VMX.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:30 pm 
What about an rx8 engine


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What about an rx8 engine
The Rotary is old hat now been around since the 60's in the NSU RO80 and a few Mazda's as well pre RX3/4.

Only joking a very under estimated engine in my view and Hurley enginnering do a three rotor conversion 350+BHP. :shock: 8) :shock: :D

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2009 Mini Clubman Cooper S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
480Hrs @ 14/03/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

Working on a ratio of just 7Hrs a day not including driving to the Sprint.
That equals to 68 days that doesn’t include weekends.
Member TDC no 0471

Project 13B Sprint now back on.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:02 pm 
There are a couple of places working on 4 rotor versions aswell.


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There are a couple of places working on 4 rotor versions aswell.
:lol: :D

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2009 Mini Clubman Cooper S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
480Hrs @ 14/03/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

Working on a ratio of just 7Hrs a day not including driving to the Sprint.
That equals to 68 days that doesn’t include weekends.
Member TDC no 0471

Project 13B Sprint now back on.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:30 pm 
Yea! Quite a few four-rotors in Austrailia, then there's the 787B Lemans car, that was a four rotor too.

Couple in Japan, of course as well :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Q9FhURrRs

For example! Quad rotor and two massive turbos!

And the 787

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgstvDmmVc0

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:32 pm 
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david, there is a classic car friendly station in shirley that chris curtis uses, i have heard good things about him so will use him for VMX.
Let me know how you get on. Nick C knows a classic friendly garage and my local one isn't too bad. We need a club MOT tester thats what we need.....

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