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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:13 pm 
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Hello all.

I was wondering if I could have some opinions on these roundabouts. People all do these roundabouts differently, and everyone always ends up stressed about them! If anyone also has evidence for the 'correct' way that would be amazing too!

Roundabout 1:

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The blue and red arrows are dual carriageways, the other is not.

The red arrow road, lane 1, has a 'left only' arrow painted on the road for the roundabout, but nothing for lane 2.

The blue arrow road has no markings.

My question is, which exits could you take from each arrow? Blue is lane 1, red is lane 2.

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Roundabout 2:

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A very similar roundabout. Same road markings (left only for red arrow lane 1 this time)

Which exits could you take from each arrow? Blue is lane 1, red is lane 2.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:18 pm 
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I drive a BMW so I have forgotten how these things work.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:21 pm 
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I drive a BMW so I have forgotten how these things work.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:14 pm 
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1. Blue, (lane 1) is left only. (Lane 2) any other exit except left.
1. Red, same as above.

2. Blue, same as above.
2. Red, same as above.

Simples, if you know your highway code.

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Can't disagree, rare to see a BMW with an indicator! :lol:

Mart is spot on, it's all simple when you know the Highway Code, seemingly a dying art!

Rule 184

On approaching a roundabout take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings which direct you into the correct lane. You should
  • use Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre at all stages
  • decide as early as possible which exit you need to take
  • give an appropriate signal (see Rule 186, below). Time your signals so as not to confuse other road users
  • get into the correct lane
  • adjust your speed and position to fit in with traffic conditions
  • be aware of the speed and position of all the road users around you.
Rule 185

When reaching the roundabout you should
  • give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
  • check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
  • watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all
  • look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off.
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Rule 186

Signals and position. When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
  • signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
  • keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
  • signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
  • keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
  • select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
  • you should not normally need to signal on approach
  • stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:34 pm 
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Same here. BMW driver, all power and brakes, ditto with the Sprint (bar the brakes).

However, if going left on the first exit, left lane it is, unless road markings say otherwise,
(yes, there was a roundabout you had to go right round to take a first exit) Crooked Billet).

There are too many variations, I generally use the road marking and signage, if none,
go with the flow, or pedal down.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:21 pm 
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See, this is very frustrating as, clearly hardly any one follows the highway code! But thank you to all for your help! The irony is if everyone followed the highway code here, there would be huge queues in the left lanes I think!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:03 pm 
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Can't disagree, rare to see a BMW with an indicator! :lol:
Not BMW in sight in that .jpg from the Highway Code, it appears that only blue Mk2/3 Golf's, green Rover 200's, rusty coloured Fiat Punto's and an odd looking pale blue VW Lupo use the Highway Code.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:22 pm 
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I tend to completely ignore the highway pish and do my own thing, usually that's what everyone else is doing. Sometimes for self preservation and other good reasons, sometimes for pure selfishness.
There is no point in being right, doing the right thing, and being in an accident because of it.

Approach lane markings - WHAT A LOAD OF PISH. If the road is busy and you are not familiar with it, it's a bit bloddy late to come across a white arrow in the middle of the road. Of course if such arrows exist on the tarmac then large, well placed advisory signs should be visible for you to select the correct lane in plenty of time, even in most 'normal' heavy traffic flows. Aye, right.
If there are no lane markings, be aware of the highway code, and be aware that you might be the only driver trying to follow it.

If a roundabout is wide enough (but no lanes marked) for two or more vehicles to navigate at the same time, yet only one vehicle is going round, DO NOT creep around the edge of the roundabout, despite what your 'just get past the test' instructor may have told you. It's your road, no-one else is there (you have mirrors, right?) and the only risk to you is a vehicle pulling out in front of you. So, be safe, TAKE the road, all of it, and make sure everyone is in no doubt of your intentions. Personally I position the car so that everyone can see me, is in no doubt of where I'm going and which exit I'm taking, using indicators to back it up. If there's a car on my inside this can't be done, but then everyone else can see the inside car, so I'm more safe.
It's less about being right, and more about doing what's expected, and that everyone knows what you're about to do.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:01 pm 
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Not BMW in sight in that .jpg from the Highway Code, it appears that only blue Mk2/3 Golf's, green Rover 200's, rusty coloured Fiat Punto's and an odd looking pale blue VW Lupo use the Highway Code.
No, but BMW, AUDI & Mercedes drivers are clearly mentioned in the rule:

"Rule 185

When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware that drivers of high-end German cars may not be signalling correctly or at all"


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"Take the racing line, clip the apexes, get in and out as fast as possible and pass anyone in your way on whatever side allows you to conserve the most momentum. "

Excerpt by kind permission of the BMW drivers handbook! :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted:

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PS, the handbook makes no mention of indicators, can't think why!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:11 pm 
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You could take any exit from any entry. The only markings I see are Diagram 1038 "Appropriate traffic lanes for different manoeuvres" it's advisory rather than compulsory.

I would not expect any traffic in the right hand lane on the blue arrow to take the first exit, whether any in the left lane takes the second or not would probably depend on how busy it is and whether the first exit in either case actually goes anywhere useful.
I would expect most of the traffic in the right lane on the red arrow to take the right lane on the first exit.


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It has been acknowledged that UK roads are now too densely packed with vehicles and too greatly affected by tidal flows in different directions at different times of the day for the conventional traffic roundabout to be effective any more. This is why so many roundabouts are now light controlled and others have lane markings which steer you to particular exits with new lanes being generated on the gyratory itself.

As such, standard 'rules' for roundabouts are becoming redundant.

Look ahead, read the road and anticipate...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:03 pm 
I'm usually too busy posting on my twit-face app while driving to notice what I am supposed to be doing on roundabouts and junctions.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:04 pm 
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You're all way out of date, all self serving assholes drive Audis these days. I know both those roundabouts without looking them up, they are both great fun for screwing over said FourAssholes drivers.

- In the top one straight on in the left lane is fun when some impatient twunt approaches in the right lane (red arrow) indicating left.
- I used to frequenly use the right lane there, red arrow approach, to U turn (you have to to get to Langhurstwood Road). Part way round I'd get someone joining from the south, left lane going right, along side me. They'd find road space becoming awfully non-existent as I took the left lane on exit.
- Second one the same really. Red approach gets used for left turn all the time and is very dangerous indeed. Going straight on and carefully matching your speed to block their illegal exit right when they need is never gets old. Or alternatively if turning left simply take the right lane on exit. Say hello to Mr Central Reservation dickhead.
- Right on the blue approach isn't quite so dangerous but still many a driver has found I have a firm grasp on the lane he's tring to illegally steal and he needs a firm grasp on the brake pedal or it's armco time.

Admittedly having a car you don't give a toss about helps in such games. The farce are absolutely f##king useless round there.

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