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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:48 pm 
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Yeah, I'll be replacing both front springs. The dampers should be fine. Bear in mind that this car passed an MoT recently with NO advisories and if there were any signs of the dampers failing, it would've been picked up. The strut top bearings are cheap enough to replace so I might as well get them done at the same time as there's no extra labour involved. I've booked it in at my local garage and the soonest he can get me in is next Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:31 pm 
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It is amazing how often coil springs seem to break on cars these days. My wife's Saab broke both of hers when it was three years old. And having said I would rather buy a car privately I remember my son's Yaris had two broken front springs when we bought it!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:26 am 
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cos they are made to a low cost and poor grade of steel(no country mentioned but we know who),and also speeding over speedbumps and those bloody pot holes

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:27 am 
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I had never changed a coil spring till I moved from London to Shropshire in 1986. Nowadays, it is the most frequent job I undertake, some of my long term customers cars are on their 3rd SETS! This is not particularly a quality issue, though I have found KYB springs to be rather short lived in service and I have stopped using them unless there is no choice. I reckon 90% of the blame lies with the appalling roads we have to drive on!

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On the upside, I have yet to come across a broken coil on a Dolomite, plenty of saggy and well rusted ones, but not one actually broken! My personal theory is that it is to do with the smaller than usual diameter since the similar size Herald/Spitfire front springs don't seem to break either.

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I suspect that the huge amount of salt on our roads doesn't do the springs any good. They're rarely finished very well and it's a pretty hostile environment to live. Doesn't take much to damage the paint, the salt and water gets in and then they corrode away. I wonder with today's bigger and heavier wheels and cars whether this has an impact on the longevity of springs i.e. they have more load on them? Of course the potholes don't help.

I'd still be tempted to swap the shocks whilst you're at it, especially if you want to improve the car and keep it for a good while. The MOT will look for leaks and that's about it. After about 60-70k most shocks have lost their efficiency. I remember when I changed the ones on my Focus after 120k or so it transformed the car. You don't notice the gradual decline over time but they'd gotten pretty bad. They weren't leaking or visibly worn but they'd become quite poor in comparison to the new ones. The car rode, handled and braked better. I just swapped for new Ford ones and it was one of the best bits of work I did on the car. The cost was offset slightly by being able to do the work myself. I could do with swapping my Mazda ones too. The factory Bilsteins are well tired now and to be honest the ride is pretty awful. Sadly the Meister R's I fancy are about £600 which is rather more than I want to spend on it right now.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:26 pm 
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Springs seem to go on all sorts of makes now, and often on first moving off on a cold morning. In the Rover 75 MGZT club we say we are now in the spring break season.

It has been suggested that this is because the materials used embrittle in the low overnight temps and the initial strain of moving off probably with a bit of lock on is enough to cause failure. It has even been known for owners to hear a loud bang whilst cars are parked up when they giver out. Never had it on my prone to it ZT-T, but have on a Mondeo a few years back and last year on my Volvo, so perceived quality seems to make no differences. A mates Merc went last week also so your in good company Dave.

I am convinced that because this was unheard of years ago unless you hit something its down to poor metallurgy and cheapening down of quality.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:58 pm 
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Springs seem to go on all sorts of makes now, and often on first moving off on a cold morning. In the Rover 75 MGZT club we say we are now in the spring break season.

It has been suggested that this is because the materials used embrittle in the low overnight temps and the initial strain of moving off probably with a bit of lock on is enough to cause failure. It has even been known for owners to hear a loud bang whilst cars are parked up when they giver out. Never had it on my prone to it ZT-T, but have on a Mondeo a few years back and last year on my Volvo, so perceived quality seems to make no differences. A mates Merc went last week also so your in good company Dave.

I am convinced that because this was unheard of years ago unless you hit something its down to poor metallurgy and cheapening down of quality.
The 75/ZT is a particular pain for breaking springs cos they often take the tyre with them - as do mkII Mondeos! One of my customers has 3 assorted 75s in his fleet and I have changed at least 4 front springs on his driveway because that's where they've failed and penetrated the tyre making the car immobile. Fortunately none have failed at any speed or going in a straight line.

I often look at the broken ends of springs, because I can and it's a sort of intellectual curiosity. These parts generally exhibit the somewhat crystalline structure effect that denotes metal fatigue over perhaps 3/4 of the section and the rest showing shear load. Quite a few that I have changed recently have only been on the car for 12-18 months or less and relatively low mileages, in 1 case, 3k/yr so salt and corrosion is not really a factor. This is what has made me give up using KYB springs. The slightly more expensive ones my factor is now supplying me with seem to be lasting longer but it's still a bit early to tell as I only made the change about 18 months ago. So i'm not going to make a recommendation yet!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:49 pm 
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Sorry to take over your thread Dave!!! :D

The springs on my wife's Saab gave up when the car was two or three years old. It had been sitting under three or four feet of snow for about a month, which may not have helped, but it was after that we heard the rattling. The springs that the local garage fitted are still going strong eight years later, so possibly it was the quality of the original springs at fault.

Do you think that low-profile tyres put more of a shock through the springs? I have run various cars up to about 150,000 miles and never had a broken spring. Those were all on 80 profile tyres. My current Honda CRV hasn't had a problem, either. I don't think the roads are any worse here than they were a few years ago.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:54 pm 
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The BG244 came in the post today so I added it to the tank before filling it up.

Parcelforce tried to deliver something today and I suspect that it was the luggage cover. I've plugged in the tracking number and it originates from Essex so it must be the luggage cover as the seller was in Chelmsford. In their infinite wisdom, Parcelforce have left it at a local Post Office which I might just be able to get to before it closes.

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Meetings take place on the first Wednesday of the month at 8.00pm at The Old Brickworks, Wakefield Road, Drighlington, Bradford, BD11 1EA

1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - Now for sale)
2003 Volvo XC90 D5 SE (PX53 OVZ - The daily driver)
2009 Mercedes-Benz W204 C200 CDI Sport (BJ58 NCV - The 2nd car)
1991 Toyota Celica GT (J481 ONB - another project car)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com
My YouTube Channel with a bit of Dolomite content.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:33 pm 
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I made it to the local Post Office before it closed so I was able to collect the parcel. It was indeed the luggage cover.
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I got it fitted to the car.
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This will improve the interior acoustics and items in the boot are now out of view of prying eyes.

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Meetings take place on the first Wednesday of the month at 8.00pm at The Old Brickworks, Wakefield Road, Drighlington, Bradford, BD11 1EA

1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - Now for sale)
2003 Volvo XC90 D5 SE (PX53 OVZ - The daily driver)
2009 Mercedes-Benz W204 C200 CDI Sport (BJ58 NCV - The 2nd car)
1991 Toyota Celica GT (J481 ONB - another project car)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com
My YouTube Channel with a bit of Dolomite content.

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Open the pod bay door please Karl.

Anyway, enough of the 2001 references (as much as I love the film). The key fob cases came in the post and I'd bought the wrong ones (there are different types that look exactly the same on the outside). This wasn't a total loss because I used the top half (the bit with the buttons on it) of the new cases with the bottom half of the old ones and I now have fully functioning keys. The key blade was loose on both keys and they now work exactly as they should and the buttons on one of the keys were seriously worn. A result even though it didn't go the way I'd planned.

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Meetings take place on the first Wednesday of the month at 8.00pm at The Old Brickworks, Wakefield Road, Drighlington, Bradford, BD11 1EA

1972 Dolomite 1850 auto (NYE 751L - Now for sale)
2003 Volvo XC90 D5 SE (PX53 OVZ - The daily driver)
2009 Mercedes-Benz W204 C200 CDI Sport (BJ58 NCV - The 2nd car)
1991 Toyota Celica GT (J481 ONB - another project car)
Former stable of SAY 414M (1974 Toledo), GRH 244D (1966 1300fwd), CDB 324L (1973 1500fwd), GGN 573J (1971 1500fwd), DCP 625S (1977 Dolomite 1300) & LCG 367N (1975 Dolomite Sprint) plus 5 Acclaims and that's just the Triumphs!

Check my blog at http://triumphtoledo.blogspot.com
My YouTube Channel with a bit of Dolomite content.

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