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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:14 am 
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To be fair to budget ditch finders, they all have to have stopping ratings now anyway. So budgets are nowhere near as bad as they were and are perfectly fine for normal road use.
I couldn't agree at all with this. I got some alloys for my MG last year, they came with new BCT S800 tyres fitted. They were quite good in the dry had no complaints but as soon as it was damp they were terrible. Grip went down the pan and it was like driving on ice, they were scary and I had police skid pan training. In fact the grip reminded me of the grip on the special extra hard rubber zero tread Uniroyal tyres used on the skid pan.

Earlier this year I purchased a Volvo V50 for my daily, dog carrier, shopping car. It came with 4 good tread depth budget tyres. First wet day on a long sweeping 70mph bend it felt unstable. Had invoices in the file with the car for them so know they were all fairly new so I did an online search. Two came back as c rated one e rated and one from the same tyre company fitted at the same time with a similar tread but different name, no rating found. Took those off and replaced them with A rated Avon's but still not happy with the wet grip and braking of the other two so replaced them a couple of weeks later with Avon's. Far better stopping and grip in all conditions and from Black Circles they were only just over £50.00 a corner fitted and balanced. At that price buying Chinese death rings doesn't make sense to me.
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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:20 pm 
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I just thought i would share this with you guys.

Tyre complaints have been going on for years.
Take my father in law back in the 50s :)
Very proud of his Ford Prefect, it cost him £5 10 shillings, but it needed 4 new tyres :(
So through a mate of a mate, he bought 4 heavy duty tyres £2 and fitted them himself :D (as you did in those days).
He set off on a trip with a picnic with the family :D
Only got 4 miles, puncture :( so duly took out the jack and put the spare on :D
Another few miles yet another puncture :( so no more spares had to call the AA who came out and checked what was going on :wink:
He was informed by nice AA bloke that his tyres that he bought stamped HD on the sidewall as what he thought was heavy duty, actually were "HORSE DRAWN" tyres!! :lol: :lol: so he was gutted at being sold duff tyres :(
It turns out this mate of a mate was a gypsy :wary: This rest as they say is "history"
Cheers, Tony.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:16 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:32 am 
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I am very suprised to here a slur on a Pirelli tyres. they are one of the worlds best tyre manufacturers as is proved by this German back to back test on classic tyres http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/cl ... sche-tyres

Ik don't think i have ever come accross a test like that before.

Very soon (hopefully next week) Pirelli will be making a 175/70R13 Cinturato CN36 https://www.longstonetires.fr/pirelli-c ... /cn36.html which willl be the best tyre you will be able to get for a Dolomite, as it will be the only correct tyre i know of for a Dolly. I shaal certaainly be fitting them to my Dad's.

there will be more information on here when they turn up http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/triumph-dolomite . currently the only ones on there are racing tyres. they are brilliant, but a bit racey and pricey.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:56 pm 
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Trouble with the re-made tyres like the Pirelli through Longstone is that they are £130 each which is an awful lot to pay for a tyre of such an old design. You can get 'correct' spec tyres for significantly less.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:20 pm 
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Very soon (hopefully next week) Pirelli will be making a 175/70R13 Cinturato CN36 https://www.longstonetires.fr/pirelli-c ... /cn36.html which willl be the best tyre you will be able to get for a Dolomite, as it will be the only correct tyre i know of for a Dolly. I shaal certaainly be fitting them to my Dad's.

there will be more information on here when they turn up http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/triumph-dolomite . currently the only ones on there are racing tyres. they are brilliant, but a bit racey and pricey.
Longstone tyres seem to recommend a strange tyre size for the Toledo, which is narrower than BLMC Triumph specified.

http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/triumph-toledo

« For Triumph Toledo tyres a set of 145TR13 Vredestein is recommended by Longstone Tyres. The 145x13 Vredestein is currently the only option available for the classic Triumph Toledo as the only tyre in this size currently it works well. »

I don't think I could justify tyres that expensive for my four-door, 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 "HL" which is currently shod with Firestone S211 185/70 R13 T86 tyres on Dolomite Sprint 5½J x 13 inch alloy wheels. If I can get a full set of six wheels (I have only two at the moment), I plan to replace these with 185/65 R15 tyres on 5½J x 15 inch alloy wheels (31 mm offset). Tyres of the 185/65 R15 size, are very much more common than either the 175/70 R13 or 185/70 R13 sizes and probably cheaper.

Search Results: 185/65 15 Summer tyres - 200 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=

Search Results: 185/65 15 All-season tyres - 66 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=

Search Results: 185/65 15 Winter tyres - 113 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=


Search Results: 175/70 13 Summer tyres - 59 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=

Search Results: 175/70 13 All-season tyres - 22 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=

Search Results: 175/70 13 Winter tyres - 55 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=


Search Results: 185/70 13 Summer tyres - 22 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... Show+tyres

Search Results: 185/70 13 All-season tyres - 3 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=

Search Results: 185/70 13 Winter tyres - 2 Results

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... ologation=

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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:13 pm 
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Trouble with the re-made tyres like the Pirelli through Longstone is that they are £130 each which is an awful lot to pay for a tyre of such an old design. You can get 'correct' spec tyres for significantly less.
Perhaps Mr Cawley, who runs Longstones Tyres, might be willing to offer TDC members a discount in exchange for the free publicity which this front page Google-ranked forum is providing? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:03 pm 
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I quite like the look of these 185/65 R15 all-season tyres at £60 each for my 5½J x 15 inch, 31 mm offset alloy wheels:

Nokian Weatherproof 185/65 R15 92H XL

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... p=R-279688

The H speed rating and 92 load-index are somewhat excessive for a Toledo, but the B fuel-economy rating, A wet-road rating and 68 dB noise rating look good.

However, these might be more appropriate, at just £55 each:

Nokian Weatherproof 185/65 R15 88T

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop ... p=R-279687

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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:41 am 
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To be fair to budget ditch finders, they all have to have stopping ratings now anyway. So budgets are nowhere near as bad as they were and are perfectly fine for normal road use.
I couldn't agree at all with this. I got some alloys for my MG last year, they came with new BCT S800 tyres fitted. They were quite good in the dry had no complaints but as soon as it was damp they were terrible. Grip went down the pan and it was like driving on ice, they were scary and I had police skid pan training. In fact the grip reminded me of the grip on the special extra hard rubber zero tread Uniroyal tyres used on the skid pan.

Earlier this year I purchased a Volvo V50 for my daily, dog carrier, shopping car. It came with 4 good tread depth budget tyres. First wet day on a long sweeping 70mph bend it felt unstable. Had invoices in the file with the car for them so know they were all fairly new so I did an online search. Two came back as c rated one e rated and one from the same tyre company fitted at the same time with a similar tread but different name, no rating found. Took those off and replaced them with A rated Avon's but still not happy with the wet grip and braking of the other two so replaced them a couple of weeks later with Avon's. Far better stopping and grip in all conditions and from Black Circles they were only just over £50.00 a corner fitted and balanced. At that price buying Chinese death rings doesn't make sense to me.
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Tyres have wet grip ratings, so you need ones with a decent rating. Budget tyres will never be suitable for a sports car or if you want to push a car to its limits. For normal everyday driving I have never had a problem, at no stage did I feel out of control and believe me it rains allot around here.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:14 am 
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When i were a young lad, i remember my dad rolling me and my brother down a hill in some old tyres :wink:

aahhhhhhh, They were "GOOD YEARS" :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:13 pm 
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Tyres have wet grip ratings, so you need ones with a decent rating. Budget tyres will never be suitable for a sports car or if you want to push a car to its limits. For normal everyday driving I have never had a problem, at no stage did I feel out of control and believe me it rains allot around here.
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I agree totally with regard to the ratings those I quoted were wet grip ratings for the Volvo. Trouble is these ratings are put on by the manufacturer not an independent body so one companies C could be another's B or D. Those supplied with the MG wheels were rated E and were so bad that they could not be considered safe in any wet conditions and here in Bradford it rains a lot. What I didn't say about these is that I changed them for Avon's after a short period. I researched theses BCT's on line and the wear rate was fantastic but wet grip appalling. Consensus was the rubber compound was too hard. I used them for about 3000 miles good in the dry and in the wet could handle them ok at low speed, but I kid you not at anything over 50 they were terrible, braking distance was horrific and corner grip scary in the wet. I was police advanced trained and drove in international rallying and so learnt about tyres and handling. These tyres are dangerous and noted as such on the web. A few weeks ago I spotted some on the rear of a bog standard Focus with ST badges. Hung around and spoke to the owner, he was a young lad just written off his ST and got this to tie him over. He had just put the tyres on saying they look good and were cheap. When I asked him how it handled he said it was ok till it rained a few days earlier and for some reason he lost the back end. We had a discussion and he drove off with the intention of changing them asap.

These tyres are bought on price mainly by the unwary and often inexperienced who will be caught out as the young lad was. They are not all diabolical but if you want budgets do your homework most tyres will have some information on line posted by users.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:50 am 
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Just had the front Pirellis replaced on my Skoda Superb at 24,000 miles, evenly worn. Goodyears on now.....


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 Post subject: Re: Pirelli tyre fail
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:39 pm 
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The new / old 175/70VR13 CN36 is not an expensive tyre for a specialist tyre. In fact it is extremely good value. generally speaking when you have an unusual tyre made then the fact they have to be made in small batch sizes effects the price. on top of that this is a V rated tyre made by Pirelli, and the big difference is that this is made with a carcass that is developed to compliment chassis such as the Dolomite. It is not the same as a modern tyre that happens to say 175/70R13 on the side wall. the CN36 will handle bette than a modern tyre on a Dolomite, because that is what it is designed for.

Here they are about to go on my Dads car.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:03 pm 
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Still cheaper than putting tyres on the Discovery! :lol:

Pirelli Scorpion Zero - 255/50 R20 Y

£186 each! :upset:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:27 pm 
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Cant believe the air will stay in those tyres with those crap rims on them. Looks like a speedy tyre fit to promote yourself to me. Pics of your dads car please lol

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