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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:55 am 
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Had a look at the detail of the new MOT rules. Now classics seemed to have escaped the non-sense bureaucracy of the Sir Humphreys, alas other motorists haven't been so lucky.

If the tester declares a dangerous fault, you now not allowed to drive the car to another garage or back home to fix it. In the old days they took the commonsense view that the motorists had driven the car with incident up to then, so a few extra miles wouldn't be an issue. I haven't heard of that causing loads of accidents.

OK they have tightened up enforcement of an already existing law, so what? Well imagine how this can be abused by a nationwide chain of ripoff garages. All they have to do is find one dangerous fault, now the owner can't drive off and has to ether pay the ripoff repair charge or pay for the car to be lifted and taken elsewhere. I think the opportunities for abuse of the system are obvious. Especially considering this:
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Dangerous defects will cause a car to fail its MoT as they pose "a direct and immediate risk to road safety or has a serious impact on the environment."


I have read car mechanic magazine that an oil leak could count as a dangerous failure. I can't image how an old A-series or XUD engine could pass under these rules, they always leaked a bit.

Since the old system worked perfectly well, why on earth did they decide to change it?


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:41 pm 
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That was always the case though, if your car failed an MOT and you drove it to another garage and was pulled by the rozzers your insurance could have been invalidated and if you broke a c&u reg you could be fined/get points.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:22 pm 
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That was always the case though, if your car failed an MOT and you drove it to another garage and was pulled by the rozzers your insurance could have been invalidated and if you broke a c&u reg you could be fined/get points.
In theory yes, but in reality it was very unlikely to happen. Now the garage has the power to hold you and that could be for a fault which isn't safety critical, like a fluid leak. Or just something they judge to be safety critical, which isn't really.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:52 pm 
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....... [I can't image how an] XUD engine could pass under these rules, they always leaked a bit.

Mine doesn't.

As I understand it they have no power to detain you or your vehicle and never have.

Simple solution, don't go to a national chain, but I'm sure you wouldn't anyway, they have always used scare tactics to get work and have been done for it many times historically.

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That was always the case though, if your car failed an MOT and you drove it to another garage and was pulled by the rozzers your insurance could have been invalidated and if you broke a c&u reg you could be fined/get points.
That's not true, insurance can not be invalidated for that reason, they can reduce a payment or refuse to pay if a defect you knew about contributes to an incident.

With all respect you seem to have a unjustified paranoia about insurers refusing to pay out as this isn't the first thread where you've said about insurers invalidating insurance.

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That's not true, insurance can not be invalidated for that reason, they can reduce a payment or refuse to pay if a defect you knew about contributes to an incident.

With all respect you seem to have a unjustified paranoia about insurers refusing to pay out as this isn't the first thread where you've said about insurers invalidating insurance.
"could have"

I've mentioned insurance twice in 1055 posts, where as you've been annoying in both interactions I've had with you.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:29 pm 
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I'm beginning to learn how Jonners and Jeroen felt, going over the same ground, time after time!

An MOT testing station has NO LEGAL POWER to stop you from removing your car from their premises! NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS, THAT IS THE LAW! They never have had the right to effectively confiscate your vehicle and they still don't! God willing, they never will!

How you choose to remove your vehicle is entirely up to you, but your right to take your vehicle to "a place of repair" is unchanged.

A tester's OPINION that your car has a dangerous fault has no legal standing, should you be unfortunate enough to get stopped whilst returning from a "dangerous" failed MOT, the officers concerned would still have to prove, independently, that your car was in fact in a defective state when you were stopped. In the case of, for example, a bald tyre, this might be easy to prove, but some esoteric balljoint or bush underneath would involve too much messing about for most officers of the law. And if you are daft enough to present a car for test with a bald tyre, then you deserve to be nicked!

I've been taking one or two cars a week for test, an 18 mile round trip, for the last 35 years and only once have I had a tug on a failed car. After a polite conversation, where it became clear that I knew more about the legalities than the officer, I was allowed to proceed unhindered.

Having, in the past, driven cars back from MOT where a brake pipe has failed on the rollers (dual circuit only, i'm not completely mad!) I fully intend to continue as I always have done and not be put off by scaremongering press reports as the OP seems to have been!

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:35 pm 
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That's not true, insurance can not be invalidated for that reason, they can reduce a payment or refuse to pay if a defect you knew about contributes to an incident.

With all respect you seem to have a unjustified paranoia about insurers refusing to pay out as this isn't the first thread where you've said about insurers invalidating insurance.
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"could have"

I've mentioned insurance twice in 1055 posts, where as you've been annoying in both interactions I've had with you.
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Come on boys, play nice!

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I can see both sides here, we all know that insurance is a legal scam and many insurers will go to considerable lengths to avoid paying out, so a little paranoia is understandable! And Justin was being perfectly polite!

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Come on boys, play nice!

Steve

I can see both sides here, we all know that insurance is a legal scam and many insurers will go to considerable lengths to avoid paying out, so a little paranoia is understandable! And Justin was being perfectly polite!
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Got to agree with Steve, we are all in same game. Let's keep it friendly and help each other :smooch:

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And Justin was being perfectly polite!
As I have always been ;)

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