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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:08 pm 
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I'm after some fine grain car body filler. There used to be a product back in the mid 1980's that was grey in colour, was solvent based in a small tin and was used to fill in fine scratch marks on bodywork. It worked really well and would sand down with just fine grade wet and dry.
What was it called please ? The local motor factors could only offer P38 and then wanted to know the reg ..... :-(
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:34 pm 
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U-Pol Gold is the best I have come across! Available from all good bodyshop suppliers, you won't find it in Halfords!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:47 pm 
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-MOTIP-CE ... SwHptZAAyS

I think this is what you might be thinking of Tony? There is also an old tin of the Carplan stuff on fleabay, but i think it would be like a brick now :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:51 pm 
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if it just small scratches you can use stoper

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:20 am 
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1K-GREY-STOP ... SwKrhVdWrE

This stuff is fantastic. Super smooth, dries fast and doesn't shrink. I got some at Stoneleigh for a fiver, and I know it is sold locally. There are other 1K stoppers too.
Just don't bother with cellulose stopper. Hopeless stuff whenever I have used it.

EDIT: cheaper/faster here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-X-FINISSAG ... SwvflZTQg9

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:21 am 
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That's great. Thank you all for your prompt replies. Now I know what I'm looking for I'll take a trip down to the local place and see what they have.
Cheers All,
Tony.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:39 pm 
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Umm, isn't a 1K stopper a cellulose stopper? 1K paint is cellulose.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:30 am 
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The stuff I have used is acrylic, deffo not cellulose.
i have always called acrylic paint 1k unless it is 2k stuff... Celly is celly and synthetic is good for lorries.
Maybe just my take on it?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:00 pm 
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Clive is exactly correct. 2k is the isocyanate finish that needs a "hardener" added as well as thinners, cellulose, synthetic and acrylic only need thinners, so are, by definition 1k. And yes, synthetic paint (known in the trade as "knacker laquer" because it reacts badly with EVERY other finish) is only good for lorries and cheap second hand cars you want to be shiny when you sell them!

The old cellulose based "knifing stopper" always was and still is pretty useless, to work at all, you had to leave it 24 hours between application and flatting, build it up 3 or 4 times and if you were VERY lucky, after that (possibly week long) process, it MIGHT not shrink and ruin all your hard work!

More modern stoppers are almost unanimously acrylic in makeup and all the better for it.

Bodyshops these days use an "extra high build" Acrylic primer filler which can be sprayed on neat, worked within 20 mins of application and doesn't shrink, so in the industry, stoppers are almost obsolete, only the pickiest places with the highest quality (and prices) bother with it.

Note:- because you asked for a fine grain FILLER (not stopper) the U-Pol Gold I recommended is exactly that! Though it needs to be worked with increasingly fine grades of paper for a top finish, if you do it right, you barely need a stopper anyway!

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'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:02 pm 
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For scratches you cna also use spray putty which is like a thick acrylic paint, high build stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:28 pm 
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Sorry about my ignorance but what is the difference between Filler and Stopper please ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:53 pm 
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Hi Tony,

Filler is for filling dents and can be used to fill large dents as it will set. Stopper is for the fine detail, to get the scratches out after rubbing down with a coarse paper. It is like a very thick primer.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:24 am 
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Sorry about my ignorance but what is the difference between Filler and Stopper please ?
Thanks ,
Tony.
As above. I use it for filling scratches and chips etc. If I sprayed the area with a filler primer, the surrounding area would also get a coat, but with the stopper you just fill the scratch/chip. Really useful stuff, and can be used after topcoats have been started. That is the stage a few things suddenly appear, no matter how careful/thorough I have been. Luckily I am just an amateur, otherwise I would be bankrupt the amount of time it takes me to get a half decent result.

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