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KLJ895W
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Re: 7's

#16 Post by KLJ895W » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:57 pm

Why is a Sprint conversion not worth the hassle Ben? What hassle?<br>
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David

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bodgerben
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Re: 7's

#17 Post by bodgerben » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:49 pm

Conversion...No point in converting a 7's lump into a Sprint - lots of differencies, even the bloody pistons are different, ok you can keep the rods, crank, jackshaft, pumps and block, but the rest is different, even the carbs are different, and the dizzy, and the timing chain cover, and...<br>
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You can't even use the Sprints exhaust manifold.<br>
Exhaust Manifold - how many TR7 Sprint cast manifolds are there still about (good manifold that) - you can get a crap Moss manifold which is a lot of dough for a naff manifold. The ports are actually narrower than the Sprints head to manifold ports.<br>
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Engine swap... to a running Sprint lump - what for 20-25bhp, your having a laugh, and before anyone else says it - why waste a perfectly good Sprint lump on a 7. <br>
If you've got the engine crane out do a proper job and put a V8 in, they are a worthwhile improvement over the 8 valve, so long as you change the diff and front brakes.<br>
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If he really must tinker - go the V8 route.<br>
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Or just leave the old 8 valve in, wait for the body to rot away and use the 8 valve in a Dolly.<br>
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I've got nothing against the standard Sprint lump, well, apart from it's heavy, funny head studs, got a dodgy load of rockers, duff water pump and all that...<br>
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Mind you I still love the idea of a Sprintfire - I know, crap handling, weak diffs...<br>
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Stuff it - save the spanner work, has he thought about a MX5?<br>


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Jon Tilson
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I was itching...

#18 Post by Jon Tilson » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:47 pm

to reply to this post all morning. Now I have to go over some old ground...but well said Ben although I come to a different conclusion...<br>
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Both cars have numereous issues. Ive owned both so can speak from experience. I still own 2 spits...so form your own conclusion. The best use for a hard top TR7 is to run the MoT out and use the engine in a dolly. They are made of cardboard and it wont be too long before whats left under the underseal turns to papier mache...<br>
Spits OTOH have that backbone chassis which gives hope to the tub. Yes you may have to put all kinds of floorpans and inner cills and what have you in it but its all doable, cheap and the end result can even be worth it financially. They weren't built by clueless scousers off the dole queue either, like most early 7's.<br>
Now a ragtop 7 can be nice but again unless its been kept in a heated garage, never driven in the rain and ziebarted from new it will do the same as a hard top...see above, particularly if it got the solihull metallic paint treatment.<br>
To live with...the 7 is probably nicer cos its that bit more comfy and has a nicer heater. Its no quicker in practical terms though, because unless I've tuned it recently it will run like a dog. No modern mechanics are capable of doing the points in the AC delco dizzy cos its even harder to get at (yes, really) than on a Dolly. As to the suspension comments well...there is nothing wrong with the swing spring spit. Spits regularly out handle 7's on the track. And trunions are easy to redo with the bush kits freely available for peanuts one ebay. the Spits real weakness is the rear wheel bearings, that must be regualrly greased and often aren't. The 7 has no inherent weaknesses but is a bit soft for some tastes and of course what the suspension attaches to is usually in an advanced state of decay.<br>
I dont get Gary's take on the pop up lights at all. They are in short crap! They take years to come up if you need to flash someone and often dont come up at all when its dark...Utter rubbish. Spit lights are just lights...you dont even think about them. <br>
Costs...well I think if you spend 1500 quid you will get a reasonable Spit capable of improvement. You may well get a nice 7 too but it wont last as long or go as far between spanner sessions. With overdrive and a hard top a Spit 1500 is useable and cheap to run. Its a bit small if you are large of frame and doesnt have much space to carry anything. Its also a bit intimidating being so small if you get regularly stuck in traffic. On a warm summers day and a good windy road a Spit is great company.<br>
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Other alternatives...well I'm afraid the midget is a complete automotive joke. See Tin's comments above.<br>
The A series version is not a lot less funny.<br>
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As to the Spit being a herald in drag...it no more is that than the MGF is a metro on drag. The common parts count is about the same... <br>
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An MX5 is fine if you dont have a ww2 perspective and can live with the enemy. I'm a bit too old and have only recently lost aging relatives with 1st hand experience of the rising sun...<br>
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MGB's are nice but dear...Same applies to TR's 4-6.<br>
The MGF gets cheaper all the time...very tempting.<br>
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Re: I was itching...

#19 Post by KLJ895W » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:16 pm

MGF is a Maestro/Montego not Metro but still crap and I couldn't believe it when I found out how small the brakes are on such a modern car. As for the others, said friend used to have a Spit and wants something notionally a bit "sporty". I've got 2 dollies and nothing else (apart from the camper) so obviously I already know the answer. Perhaps I'll go back to trying to flog him my 1850.<br>
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David

<p><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.triumphowners.com/570" target="top">1980 Sprint</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.triumphowners.com/569" target="top">1980 1850HL with Sprint gearbox, propshaft and axle</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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Jon Tilson
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No way David...

#20 Post by Jon Tilson » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:37 pm

An MGB uses a K sereis engine....never fitted to Maestro or Montego. It uses a metro sub frame and its hydragas suspension...again not used on Maestegos.<br>
Very few common parts in fact.<br>
Front brakes are small cos the car is mid-engined...<br>
any bigger and it would lock up too easilly.<br>
The MGF isnt that heavy. The brakes are up to the job...<br>
I'm sorry but in now way is an MGF crap. It has its failings and the build quality could be better but its a creditable effort from its cash starved makers. Its a cracking drive...and long may they get cheaper.<br>
Jonners<br>


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Re: Interesting...

#21 Post by mbellinger » Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:04 pm

...topic.<br>
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Like Jon I have owned and run both, and for that matter an A series Midget.<br>
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The Spit is a pretty car to some eyes and is good budget fun. That's it. It's handling is awful to the point of downright dangerous even when properly sorted. Add the crap lump, world record body flexibilty and scuttle shake (quality - don't make me laugh) and total lack of space and you will conclude that they are not a car to spend any amount of time in or money on. Mine was a hardtop with overdrive and as such could undertake a long run without cooking the mains too much, but the truly appaling ride quality rendered any such undertakings only for the brave. To suggest that a late 70's Spit rusts less than the same age TR7 is a woeful statement.<br>
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The TR7 on the other hand looks like a dogs arse in coupe form but better as a convertible. It has a hood which fits, a good heater, comfy seats, a good control layout and more space all round for two people and luggage. More importantly it possesses body rigidity that the Spit can only dream about until it rusts away, which it surely will. The ride quality is good and the handling is safe in a slightly stodgy way, though this can be dramatically improved (cheaply) by polybushes. The five speeder is a joy and gives good cruising ability. You could go on a touring holiday for a couple of weeks in one of these and enjoy it provided you take a dustpan and brush to sweep up the rust everywhere you go.<br>
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For what its worth the Midget has an excellent unburstable and very tuneable lump with a superb gearbox. the ride is harsh but nowhere near as god awful as the Spit. It will outhandle and out pace a Spit all day long on real roads. The looks are an acquired taste (my view is that Spit is prettier), the spares back up second to none. The biggest downside is that if you are anything like normal adult size they are almost impossible to fit in in any comfort. Never was a car more appropriately named....<br>
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The TR6 has a chassis conceived in the late 1940's and has no attributes whatsoever. It is also chronically overpriced.<br>
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My vote? Go 7 and get the best one bodily that you can find. Polybush it and enjoy. Once your bored and want more go you can V8 it as Ben says. A standard 2.0 litre though with K&N's, rejetted and set carbs, leccy ignition and an extractor exhaust will give a very laid back 115 ish BHP, and will be cheap and fun.<br>
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Or buy a Dolomite.......

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Jon Tison
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Seems...

#22 Post by Jon Tison » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:08 pm

I'm in a minority of one so far...<br>
The Spit's huge advantage over a 7 is in the sheer maintainability of the thing...Not that it needs much...<br>
Mine is fairly pampered now but at 120 k miles its had...<br>
New shells (std) once, New clutch once, 2 driveshafts and a few u/js. I think I changed the rears shocks once and its on its second rear spring...oh and an alternator.<br>
Ive given it the tssc manifold which does away with the downpipe flange gasket and thats about it. It a T plater and weve had it most of its 27 year life. Early on it was just ordinary and used like any car. Now its an heirloom.<br>
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The 7 I had must have been a bad one. I got to dislike it when in my inexperience I let the fire brigade persuade me to let the rusted fuel tank empty in to a flower bed in case it caught fire. It wasnt even 10 at the time! I should have chucked a match at it and claimed on insurance!<br>
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Oh and the seat had a habit of collapsing as the recline pawl seemed to have suffered an assault in the hand of the previous caring owners. I didnt understand why it didnt have overdrive when everything else Triumph made did!.<br>
Nice heater though...when it had enough water left in to go round it...<br>
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^

#23 Post by alun n » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:03 pm

...that's because Triumph DIDN'T make it Jon, they was long gone by then and its pure unadulterated BL shite!<br>
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Nasty nasty nasty car.<br>
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Guigaro is quoted as saying at the launch "I don't believe it, they've done the same to this side too!"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ...or was it Gandini? No, that's the great Muira debate.

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Re: ^

#24 Post by SMIFTER » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:29 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>take no notice of any male who's brave enough to drive a Smart Roadster, but not brave enough to be seen in a 7, he's already deluded himself the Roadster was a Smart move<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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I'm not insecure about my sexuality - which means I can drive whatever goddamn car I like.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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And the car is a bloody laugh without getting done for speeding.<br>
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And it kicks the arse of most triumphs (proven at anglesey).<br>
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bodgerben
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Easy Tiger...

#25 Post by bodgerben » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:44 pm

It's still a poofs car - sure you don't want to come out of the closet?<br>
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Re: Easy Tiger...

#26 Post by algtj » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:25 pm

I find this amusing, Jonners advocating the 1500 Spit but hating the same donk in a Dolly!!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
As for Mr Mann's design, so it didnt have the same appeal as Michelotti (not sure of the spelling) and draws critics to this day, what else looked like it at that time!?<br>
Ford had the same criticism when it launched the Sierra, where Ford got it right was, it (the Sierra) was a car designed for the masses. The TR7 was obviously designed as a replacement for a far more iconic car than a bloody Cortina at a time when BL was in termoil, so didn't stand a chance!<br>
It makes my piss boil that British designer's get such a slagging for corporate balls ups (build quality etc etc!) <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
The design of the TR7 still looks fresh today as anybody with an artistic bent would agree. The wheels however could do with updating!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
I love the styling of all Triumphs, apart from the German TR, which typifies blandness.<br>
RANT OVER....<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->

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Re: Easy Tiger...

#27 Post by SMIFTER » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:03 pm

Ben <br>
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Your the one that likes Brown<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Retract that statement or I'll come round and stick one up you Davyd<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Joking aside - I know its not the most masculine of cars but it is unconventional and serves its purpose of being cheap and winding up the other Mundano company car owners very very well. I must admit the thought of getting rid of it and spending silly money on sorting the Sprint and using that as a company car does occur to me now - if I could get away with it without being sacked<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Back to TR7's vs Spits<br>
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What do we know anyway? And who cares? Dolomites are all that matter.<br>


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Featherweight 1974 Dolomite Sprint - Soon to be XE'd, NOS'd, Megasquirted and 5 linked Lash up to scare myself (and my wallet) senseless<br>
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2004 Smart Roadster (company car!!) - 698cc of turbo'd adrenaline fuelled rollerskate - destined to classic status thanks to Daimler Chrysler bean counters.<br>
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1997 Audi A4 2.6 to chill out after the above and fill with baby products.....<br>
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2005 Trek 1400 (ok its not a car but still fast) - <br>
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A word out to Brown TR7 drivers.....

#28 Post by SMIFTER » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:18 pm

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^

#29 Post by algtj » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:50 pm

I dont like the styling of the Smart thingie's, but as a design they are destined for classic status, as they are a cleverly designed package.<br>
What does worry me about Smarts as cars though is the survival in an accident of the occupants.<br>
Modern day Fiat 500.<br>
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bodgerben
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lol

#30 Post by bodgerben » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:07 pm

This has been one good thread - Smifter you are right - I do like British Racing Brown, but with that sort of threat I'm retracting everthing <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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I'm off to get a nice brown TR7 - chase me chase me...<br>
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