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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:20 am 
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Only just come across this thread,nice work,have you got the PAS going yet,and what one are you using

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I'm still not sure about the PAS, it would be SO much easier to leave it stock! And I am skirting the BIVA regs pretty closely as it is, losing the 2 points for original steering might tip it over the edge! However I have worked out a way to mount the MGF column that I bought ages ago and have enough bits (and wire) to make it work - I think! The way the system works with everything inside the cabin means I CAN add it later if the mood takes me, At the moment, my main drive is to getting it up and running.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:04 pm 
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Only just come across this thread,nice work,have you got the PAS going yet,and what one are you using

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I'm still not sure about the PAS, it would be SO much easier to leave it stock! And I am skirting the BIVA regs pretty closely as it is, losing the 2 points for original steering might tip it over the edge! However I have worked out a way to mount the MGF column that I bought ages ago and have enough bits (and wire) to make it work - I think! The way the system works with everything inside the cabin means I CAN add it later if the mood takes me, At the moment, my main drive is to getting it up and running.

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Steve

You have the advantage of having an auto one less pedal to get in the way
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is there much difference between the mgf PAS and corsa ?

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 11:10 pm 
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I don't think The MG system would work at all in a manual car, the gap between the pedals is just too narrow. The advantage of the MGF system ,is that it is designed to fit to a Metro rack so splines and fittings are all about right for the Sprint. The disadvantages are bulk and inflexibilty, its quite big and it needs to go where it wants to be and if anything else needs that space (like a clutch pedal box) you are basically stuffed!
I still haven't got up close and personal with a Corsa column, but from what I can gather the Corsa unit is considerably smaller and can be easily divorced from the upper section and switch gear etc. I believe one of my co-experimenters has managed to get one in under the bonnet between the bulkhead and the rack.
I have to admit, I AM a little leery of fabricating safety critical components like the column itself, not because I doubt my own skills (but what if....) but because if a UJ in this fabricated part wears out, I will have to fab another. I have found a lower column with a UJ at each end that fits the splines on the rack and the bottom of the column (it's from a PAS equipped T 2000) and seems about the right length. But this would not give any telescoping facility and I don't want to go backwards in engineering!
It's all a bit moot till the shell comes back and I can do a bit more experimenting, like putting a seat in and lashing the MG column up to the original mount with cable ties or something to define a position for the unit. ATM I also don't have a steering wheel for the MG column having (perhaps foolishly) discarded the airbag equipped original. I have a lovely Momo wheel to go on the car, but have not yet bought a boss for it since I don't know whether I need a boss for a Sprint, or an MGF, or even a Vauxhall!

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:49 am 
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Thanks,not started yet still getti ng bits together

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:22 pm 
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Grandma sucking eggs and all that but suspect the air con control panel to ECU is needed so that the ECU can tell when the a/c is
on and hence imposing compressor load...

But you already knew that I suspect....

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:54 pm 
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Grandma sucking eggs and all that but suspect the air con control panel to ECU is needed so that the ECU can tell when the a/c is
on and hence imposing compressor load...

But you already knew that I suspect....

Jonners
Agree Jon, a bit of thought brought me to the same conclusion, a branch of one of the wires ends up at the tacho! Which makes sense!

The trouble with this loom is that you have to work out what you need and what you can do without! I have successfully traced about 100 wires from 3 multiplugs from the engine/trans and the body side of the ECU plug to their destinations all over the car, a lot seem quite simple and logical, others go to weird places like the ABS block and relay blocks that have no relay in them! What I don't want to do is discard some apparently useless lead that stops the engine from running! Most of these wierd and wonderful leads split up and go to several places and my thinking is that if one or two end up somewhere useful, the other branches can be discarded. But I am minded of a mate who put a Williams 172 engine in an earlier, smaller, Clio. He put the loom in with it but a numpty had cut the ABS plug and wires off - and it wouldn't run until he reinstated the plug AND the ABS block! Amid much swearing and gnashing of teeth! Several wires go to the Chip reciever that fits around the steering lock (yes I kept this - and the key with chip that matches it!), so of course then I had to trace ALL the other leads out of it, to make sure that doesn't stop it! And so on! It really is turning into the 8th labour of Hercules! Still, I suppose it could be worse, it could be CanBus!

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:47 am 
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Did the Vauxhall have an OBD socket ?

If so, a simple diag tool will show up what is not working, and allow you to
trace and rectify the wiring.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 3:16 pm 
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It does indeed have an OBD socket and I am carefully saving it and the leads to it. However, of the 16 available pins, only 7 actually have wires, 1 is permanent live, 2 appear to be earth, 1 goes to the engine ECU and 1 to the trans ECU. I suspect the other 2 are ABS and airbag diagnostic, both of which systems I have discarded, so it may just work! At some point I am just going to have to "suck it and see!"

Just another of many problems, to get all your minds working, when I removed the engine and trans from the donor car, I unavoidably lost about a half litre or so of trans fluid in the trans cooler and pipes, plus a bit of spillage before I could get the cooler pipes connected together. This is a problem? It is when there is no dipstick or any visible plug to top up the transmission! Perhaps Harvey may have an idea, the box is from a late 2000 built 2.2 Omega, made AFAIK by Aisin/Warner. Failing that I may have to ring Andy Frost (of Red Victor 3 fame) at Penn Auto and see if he can shed any light!

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 3:22 pm 
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That sounds like the right number of leads on the OBD, I had to install
the fleet navigation/tracking unit in the works van, and thats roughly right.

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According to the Haynes manual I have for all Omega petrol models 94-99
"the level plug is fitted to the right hand side of the main sump".
The level should be checked with the engine hot.

Did they change the auto 'boxes for the later models?



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 4:03 pm 
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I'll have another look Ian, but I looked fairly carefully already. I really don't know if they changed the box again, the only auto's I have experience of in this range is the 88-93 Carlton box - and there are 3 distinct evolutions of that, all less electronicised (if that's a word) and all have dipsticks, so I am fishing in the dark! Does your Haynes give a model number for the described box? If so, I can check it against mine.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:01 pm 
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Well the shell is back, and straighter than a straight thing! The jig guy joked that, with his jig being so very accurate, the shell is probably straighter than when it left the factory. I didn't find this funny, as it's probably true!
But he has done an absolutely first class job for sensible money, not cheap but sensible! If anyone is unfortunate enough to have their Dolomite seriously damaged and want it repaired to a high standard, I would thoroughly recommend this guy and his company whose details I will give by PM on request. They are a stones throw from Gayley on the M6 between Wolvo and Stafford.

But first, the promised pic of the rats nest, AKA the Omega loom!

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The bit by the chair is the dash and underbonnet loom (not including the engine section which is on the engine still!) nearer the camera is the "body" loom, most of which I will be discarding, but it is a handy source of matching colour coded wires if I need to extend any!

Down to the nitty gritty and the shell pics, which I will let speak for themselves.

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When I got the shell, the bonnet wouldn't fit at all and the new and original parts of the inner front panel overlapped badly.
Now the shut lines are spot on and the inner panel fits perfectly! I'm a happy bunny, if a somewhat poorer one!

At the moment the new panels are only held on with a few self tappers to try fit. I will be removing it all to individually rustproof everything before refitting it all permanently. PS, I know the inner panel I have used is from a 2 light car, I have a 4 light club extension panel to go on!

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:11 pm 
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Nice gaps!


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:32 pm 
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Nice gaps!
That's why they pay him the big bucks!

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'72 Triumph 1500FWD in Slate Grey, Now with RWD and Carledo powertrain!

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