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PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:54 pm 
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How about a small roof console for storing things Steve? The sort you get on some moderns.

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PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:46 pm 
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Well, had my first and second failures today, i've spent the day finishing the modified gearbox tunnel and shifter, started the car fine and it went through the gears fine, but the brake light switch interlock on the trans wasn't functioning and I had to release it manually, the cause was a faulty brake light switch and I had another so swapped it out. That took care of that. Fired it up for test and it ran a couple of seconds and died, then wouldn't restart. Turns out the HP fuel pump has died! Instead of a healthy whine when I switch on, all I get is a dull "thunk"

By an odd coincidence, EXACTLY the same thing happened to the Carledo when I was building it. In that case, the new pump I fitted failed with only about 15 minutes running under it's belt. I replaced it with a second hand pump pulled off a scrap Renault Espace which is still there to this day, 9 years later!

So this time I fitted a second hand pump from a Cavalier from the start! Now i'll have to swap to the new one I bought "just in case"!

Never mind, better now than in the middle of the night and the wilds of Scotland in October!

But I WILL buy yet another pump as a spare spare! I've always worried, since that first failure on the Carledo, because I don't have a filter on the tank side of the pump (NOT laziness, just nowhere to put one, ideally it needs to be in the tank itself and my hands are too big to put anything in there) and HP pumps are notoriously susceptible to damage from debris in the tank. But the fact that the old used pump has kept the Carledo going all these years seems to prove it's not that much of a problem!

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People may remember this from P19!

I fitted the spare pump and, almost immediately, it made horrible grinding noises, like it was on the point of breaking down again! It ran long enough for the test drive in the video (though if you listen carefully you can HEAR it protesting) and failed entirely a couple of days later, same "thunk" and no pump!

Enough, I thought! Some time ago, I noted that the tank sender wasn't working, so i pulled it out for a look and sure enough the arm was seized solid. A look inside the tank also showed a small amount of flakey rust just in the 2 or 3 inch area around the pickup pipe, everywhere else was clean steel.

So I went in with a magnet-on-a-stick, banging it on the tank bottom as hard as possible to dislodge and rescue as much iron oxide as possible and then fitted a new tank sender.

But I realised that this wasn't a complete solution and resolved to SOMEHOW get a prefilter in the system. And immediately encountered 2 problems! Problem number 1 is that, though fuel filters are 2 a penny and available everywhere, fuel filters with fittings for 12mm pipe emphatically AREN'T! Eventually I found one on ebay that offered a choice of fittings including 12mm only to find when i'd ordered it, that the guy didn't actually HAVE any 12mm ends in stock and HIS suppliers were out due to covid! So I waited 3 weeks for his stock to return, ordering ANOTHER new pump in the meantime, alas, in vain! Back on ebay and I found another, larger and more expensive prefilter WITH 12mm fittings from SimonBBC! This one also has the advantage of replaceable paper elements, so is "lifetime" in effect! The second problem is fitting a 6" long filter in a 5" long pipe betwixt tank and pump!

This is what it looks like fitted:-

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I plan to replace the big dangly loop of flexible hose with something bespoke in 12mm copper once the makings come from ebay! If I've had any problems from covid this is it! Waiting for stuff to come! I guess I should be grateful that's the extent of my worries!

So, having fitted this up and the new pump and filtered and refilled with petrol, I switched on, only to be greeted with another dull "thunk" of a duff pump! Not believing it, I went all round the rather complicated circuitry that works it, looking for errors or bad connections. This was further compounded by my draining and testing the LAST pump on a battery and discovering it ran, not well, but it ran!

In desperation I took a live from the battery to the still fitted new pump and still got the same thunk, so I pulled it off AGAIN (this is getting boring) and replaced it with the last (barely) running one . At least the engine is now running again! A final test of the new pump straight off a battery gives only a thunk and i'm now in touch with the supplier over it.

TBH, I'm not too hopeful, the last one that failed (the original on the Carledo) the supplier insisted I return it for test. Wherupon he CUT it apart and found (HE said) a flake of what looked like copper or brass (he sent it back to me in a little plastic baggie along with the destroyed pump) which had allegedly killed the pump. Since at that point the Carledo engine had only run for around 15 minutes on fuel drawn from a PLASTIC can, I didn't see where this metallic flake could have come from, but what was I to do? I had no pump and no real proof that the failure wasn't MY fault! We shall see what this (different) supplier has to say!

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PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:02 pm 
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the reversing camera i bought one that is built in to the rear number plate surround, good idea about the light under bonnet

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I have the later style number plate lights, so no housing to put it in!

The one that came with the stereo is very small and black in colour, it fits nicely under the lip of the bootlid and should be almost un-noticeable once the car is fitted up completely.

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you miss under stand, its a souround that goes round the number plate and fitted on the back panel with reversing camera built in to it got it off Ebay

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PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:06 pm 
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How about a small roof console for storing things Steve? The sort you get on some moderns.

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I have a roof console in the van , trouble is go over speed hump and things jump out :evil: :evil:

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PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:47 pm 
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How about a small roof console for storing things Steve? The sort you get on some moderns.

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I have a roof console in the van , trouble is go over speed hump and things jump out :evil: :evil:

Dave
I remember back in my very early days of motoring, you could buy these REALLY tacky, cheap, ABS plastic roof consoles that started above the mirror and ran back to behind your head, only along the car centerline and maybe 6" wide. but you could get a few switches in, maybe a couple of extra dials and a pair of little spotlight interior lights in the back end. The problem was, nothing much held them up, they were mostly glued to the headlining! So they'd fall in your lap at the worst moment!

I'm looking more at the gap between the front seats which is otherwise wasted space and possibly at a dropaway glovebox from something modern to go under the dash on the passenger side and a smaller version for the space on the outside of the steering column.

The trouble is, I don't even know if scrappies are open ATM and in any case, my long term favourite yard where I had "wandering" rights is now a storage facility!

My Peugeot Expert van has an ENORMOUS roof mounted shelf/cupboard above the screen, it's big enough to irretrievably lose stuff in, but the Dolomite roof wont accept anything nearly as capacious!

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I'm looking more at the gap between the front seats which is otherwise wasted space and possibly at a dropaway glovebox from something modern to go under the dash on the passenger side and a smaller version for the space on the outside of the steering column.
I wonder if the Mk1 Freelander cubbybox thing would fit between the seats? Not much stowage, but better than nothing and would accomodate electric window switches and a charging point/fag lighter for the rear.

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PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:28 pm 
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I'm looking more at the gap between the front seats which is otherwise wasted space and possibly at a dropaway glovebox from something modern to go under the dash on the passenger side and a smaller version for the space on the outside of the steering column.
I wonder if the Mk1 Freelander cubbybox thing would fit between the seats? Not much stowage, but better than nothing and would accomodate electric window switches and a charging point/fag lighter for the rear.
I don't know how you worked this out or knew it somehow Sam, but it's pure genius!

I found a few on ebay and they look perfect for the job, have ordered one, complete with all switches and stuff for £30!

Steve

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People may remember this from P19!

I fitted the spare pump and, almost immediately, it made horrible grinding noises,
You are having terrible luck there Steve.
:( Clearly your previous supplier has no interest in future business and is just taking the p155.

I had always thought they inline pumps were pretty durable, giving warning by getting noisier for a long time before failing.
The problem with them was that the outer casing corroded....
A friend got one for his Audi 100 from a Ford Granada taxi, that pump's casing had been repaired with glass fibre matting
but nonetheless ran well.

Sometimes it does pay to complain...
a friend had a Mondeo with a roof rack he couldn't remove because one of the captive nuts had become free.
The local Ford dealership had told him that this wasn't covered by warranty
so he asked me if it was repairable.
I told to first phone Ford UK direct and persist until you got someone who could authorise repairs, then inform
them that their cars are shite. Ford did agree to repair the car....



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PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:19 pm 
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What make of Pump are you using Steve? A few people i know swear by "Osias" pumps and have been pleased with the results and they come with a 3year warranty.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OSIAS-New-In ... SwO75dcuiO
Did you buy it off fleabay or a credit card? If you did and the pump is still in it's warranty period you will have some comeback on the supplier. It's a bit of a faff but depends how much it was.

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PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:31 pm 
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What make of Pump are you using Steve? A few people i know swear by "Osias" pumps and have been pleased with the results and they come with a 3year warranty.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OSIAS-New-In ... SwO75dcuiO
Did you buy it off fleabay or a credit card? If you did and the pump is still in it's warranty period you will have some comeback on the supplier. It's a bit of a faff but depends how much it was.

Tony.
I can't now remember who supplied the pump for the Carledo that broke, that was back in 2010! But I DO remember vividly, that at the time, it was over £60 and I was livid that the guy cut it open, rather than releasing the crimped end! I did protest at the time, but he wasn't interested. So £60 went down the drain, the only consolation being the Renault Espace pump that is still on it was a freebie from a friend!

The last 4 pumps like this (early Cavs use the too) i've had are APS pumps from JCraceandrally on ebay (over 2100 sold, apparently) and up to now i've not had a problem. They are only a couple of quid less than the Osias pump you provided a link to, so if I get no joy here i'll go for one of those!

To be fair, the pumps I HAVE killed on the Dolomega probably WERE my fault, rust in the tank and no prefilter being the likely culprit. But this last one was duff out the box so definitely NOT my fault!

Steve

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Out of interest I did an ebay search and found this Steve
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOSCH-INLINE ... SwDZpevYjt

That is OE Saab I think?
They were long lived on Saabs.

(The very similar one to fit a Ford is £72 dearer).



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I'm looking more at the gap between the front seats which is otherwise wasted space and possibly at a dropaway glovebox from something modern to go under the dash on the passenger side and a smaller version for the space on the outside of the steering column.
I wonder if the Mk1 Freelander cubbybox thing would fit between the seats? Not much stowage, but better than nothing and would accomodate electric window switches and a charging point/fag lighter for the rear.
I don't know how you worked this out or knew it somehow Sam, but it's pure genius!

I found a few on ebay and they look perfect for the job, have ordered one, complete with all switches and stuff for £30!

Steve
I just hope it fits Steve!

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To be fair, the pumps I HAVE killed on the Dolomega probably WERE my fault, rust in the tank and no prefilter being the likely culprit. But this last one was duff out the box so definitely NOT my fault!

Steve
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For some reason they all use a Vectra fuel filter for their cars as well?

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PostPosted:Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:26 am 
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To be fair, the pumps I HAVE killed on the Dolomega probably WERE my fault, rust in the tank and no prefilter being the likely culprit. But this last one was duff out the box so definitely NOT my fault!

Steve
For some reason they all use a Vectra fuel filter for their cars as well?

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Depends which Vectra, some of the newer ones have a diesel like filter with a replaceable element.

I have a Corsa one further downstream from the pump, the prefilter is to replace the mesh bit that would normally sit over the business end of an in-tank pump, something the Dolomite tank can't supply. With that in place, I probably don't really NEED the Corsa one on the pressure side, but I can't be bothered to delete it now!

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I wonder if the Mk1 Freelander cubbybox thing would fit between the seats? Not much stowage, but better than nothing and would accomodate electric window switches and a charging point/fag lighter for the rear.
I don't know how you worked this out or knew it somehow Sam, but it's pure genius!

I found a few on ebay and they look perfect for the job, have ordered one, complete with all switches and stuff for £30!

Steve
Don't worry Sam, I won't blame you if it doesn't! But it looks narrow enough and the gap for the handbrake looks to be in about the right place. I may have to make some gaps for the seat belt stalks to emerge - or I may not! I'll find out soon enough!

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I just hope it fits Steve!

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