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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:56 pm 
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If anyone else fancies the holes in their valance, I was forced to buy a horribly expensive 64mm dia Q/max cutter to make them.

The tool cost me £70 and has made precisely 6 holes so far!

I'm willing to rent it out or sell it on for reasonable money!

Steve
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Toolstation sell metal hole cutters like that but a lot cheaper

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Not like Q max they don't! I have one of the cheap sort (a saw toothed ring on a mandrel) with a large range of cutters, thats how I did the grp valance on the Carledo. The steel panel is too thin and flimsy for it to cut, it just polished it!

I was just looking through my watch list and noticed the seller of mine has now upped the price to £85 plus postage as he only has one left!

Steve

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:58 pm 
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I could send you one cheaper..

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That's not a Q max cutter, I have those and they wouldn't do it!

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This, for those who've obviously never heard of it, is the Q/Max cutter!

It bears the same relationship to one of those cheap hole cutters as an AK47 does to a stone axe! They both do the same job, but one does it quickly, efficiently and with style and the other is hard to control and makes a bloody mess!

I've had a 19mm one since my apprentice days, bought for cutting radio ariel holes in wings, it has been endlessly useful over the years and is still working as well as the day it was new, the smaller ones only cost a fiver or so. But as they get bigger the price escalates dramatically.


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I would have liked the tool that turns a lip into the panel, like the holes in a sill diaphragm panel, but those run into hundreds of £s

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Not like Q max they don't! I have one of the cheap sort (a saw toothed ring on a mandrel) with a large range of cutters, thats how I did the grp valance on the Carledo. The steel panel is too thin and flimsy for it to cut, it just polished it!
As an experiment (to see how a fog light looked) I tried cutting a 90mm diameter hole in a (scrap) front valance using a standard metal hole cutter,
whilst I was successful with some difficulty in cutting said hole, I very definitely would not want to use this on a new panel!


Ian.

PS I thought the fog light looked too big, almost like they ones on old Subaru Imprezzas!

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Not like Q max they don't! I have one of the cheap sort (a saw toothed ring on a mandrel) with a large range of cutters, thats how I did the grp valance on the Carledo. The steel panel is too thin and flimsy for it to cut, it just polished it!
As an experiment (to see how a fog light looked) I tried cutting a 90mm diameter hole in a (scrap) front valance using a standard metal hole cutter,
whilst I was successful with some difficulty in cutting said hole, I very definitely would not want to use this on a new panel!


Ian.

PS I thought the fog light looked too big, almost like they ones on old Subaru Imprezzas!
I toyed with the idea of actually using Impreza spots at one point, but as you say, they are a bit "out of scale" on the smaller Dolomite, so I settled for the "square 8"s which are period correct and look "right" on the car. I was lucky enough to get my NOS pair off my landlord (may he RIP), he was going to bin them and offered them to me free but I felt guilty about that and gave him a tenner! Though I will have to spend another tenner on some 12v bulbs, he'd put 24v ones in to go on his truck, but never fitted them.

Steve

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What mirrors are those off Steve and could you tell me the length of the plinth? I think they would be a vast improvement to a Stag :D

Tony.
I fitted a similar set to my wifes 2500. These are american muscle car style mirrors.

https://www.amazon.com/Fit-System-1600B ... 68DJ7VM4B2

Jeroen

They are exactly like the CIPA 19100 mirrors shown on Jeroens ad, first row down, second from left.

Steve
Thanks Steve and Jeroen :thumbsup: I saw them on another Stag at weekend and you can see out of them. The chap thinks he has another pair at home somewhere he will sell?
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This, for those who've obviously never heard of it, is the Q/Max cutter!

It bears the same relationship to one of those cheap hole cutters as an AK47 does to a stone axe! They both do the same job, but one does it quickly, efficiently and with style and the other is hard to control and makes a bloody mess!

I've had a 19mm one since my apprentice days, bought for cutting radio ariel holes in wings, it has been endlessly useful over the years and is still working as well as the day it was new, the smaller ones only cost a fiver or so. But as they get bigger the price escalates dramatically.


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I would have liked the tool that turns a lip into the panel, like the holes in a sill diaphragm panel, but those run into hundreds of £s

Steve
Steve

i have a couple of those cutter but only small ones ,really like to have the Dimpole dyes but as you say there dearer

Dave


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:19 pm 
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A few more little diversions from the endless flatting!

I opted for the correct busbars for the boot wiring and add ons like towbar, high level brake light, reversing camera etc and regretted it when I saw them. Like the fusebox the terminals are too close together to fit insulated spade terminals to them. Unlike the fusebox there is no cover to protect them. Fortunately all this is quite high up and will be behind the millboard out of sight. Hopefully will avoid corrosion!

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More progress with the console, i've adapted the fake wood gearshift surround to fit and made a blank face panel to accept the massive double DIN stereo/satnav/video/etc. next step, make the hole for it!

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Finally i'm adding underbonnet and underboot lid LED strips, so that, in the unlikely event of a breakdown, or even a puncture, on a dark Scottish stage, I can see what i'm doing! No pic of the boot lights yet, I have to paint inside the boot before itting them!

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More to come, Steve

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the reversing camera i bought one that is built in to the rear number plate surround, good idea about the light under bonnet

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Those LED lights work great Steve, a pal has fitted them to his Stag and GT6 under bonnet and in the boot.

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Those LED lights work great Steve, a pal has fitted them to his Stag and GT6 under bonnet and in the boot.

Tony.
And only £8 for 6 of them! I think the roll of speaker lead I used to wire them up cost more!

I've wired them to a permanent live (via the boot light wiring in the back) and an earth switch robbed from an old glovebox in the front.

Steve

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Got the hole cut and the cage and stereo located in the console. It's that close a fit on just about everything (tunnel, vent panel and footwell distribution thingy) that the thickness of the tunnel carpet had to be relieved to get it in place!

The beast!


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Fitted to the console, a cabinet maker friend is making me a wood face panel to go round it and Cliff will re-cover the Vinyl bits.


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But it takes up SO much space, there's not even room for the electric window switches and boot release! Or coins, baccy tin and other essentials! I may have to find or make a console extension cum cubby box/armrest to go behind this one and over the handbrake to fit it all in! At least i've determined that the sequence I used to match the speaker cables I plumbed into the main loom was correct!

Steve

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:01 pm 
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the reversing camera i bought one that is built in to the rear number plate surround, good idea about the light under bonnet

Dave
I have the later style number plate lights, so no housing to put it in!

The one that came with the stereo is very small and black in colour, it fits nicely under the lip of the bootlid and should be almost un-noticeable once the car is fitted up completely.

Steve

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How about a small roof console for storing things Steve? The sort you get on some moderns.

Tony.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:46 pm 
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Well, had my first and second failures today, i've spent the day finishing the modified gearbox tunnel and shifter, started the car fine and it went through the gears fine, but the brake light switch interlock on the trans wasn't functioning and I had to release it manually, the cause was a faulty brake light switch and I had another so swapped it out. That took care of that. Fired it up for test and it ran a couple of seconds and died, then wouldn't restart. Turns out the HP fuel pump has died! Instead of a healthy whine when I switch on, all I get is a dull "thunk"

By an odd coincidence, EXACTLY the same thing happened to the Carledo when I was building it. In that case, the new pump I fitted failed with only about 15 minutes running under it's belt. I replaced it with a second hand pump pulled off a scrap Renault Espace which is still there to this day, 9 years later!

So this time I fitted a second hand pump from a Cavalier from the start! Now i'll have to swap to the new one I bought "just in case"!

Never mind, better now than in the middle of the night and the wilds of Scotland in October!

But I WILL buy yet another pump as a spare spare! I've always worried, since that first failure on the Carledo, because I don't have a filter on the tank side of the pump (NOT laziness, just nowhere to put one, ideally it needs to be in the tank itself and my hands are too big to put anything in there) and HP pumps are notoriously susceptible to damage from debris in the tank. But the fact that the old used pump has kept the Carledo going all these years seems to prove it's not that much of a problem!

Steve
People may remember this from P19!

I fitted the spare pump and, almost immediately, it made horrible grinding noises, like it was on the point of breaking down again! It ran long enough for the test drive in the video (though if you listen carefully you can HEAR it protesting) and failed entirely a couple of days later, same "thunk" and no pump!

Enough, I thought! Some time ago, I noted that the tank sender wasn't working, so i pulled it out for a look and sure enough the arm was seized solid. A look inside the tank also showed a small amount of flakey rust just in the 2 or 3 inch area around the pickup pipe, everywhere else was clean steel.

So I went in with a magnet-on-a-stick, banging it on the tank bottom as hard as possible to dislodge and rescue as much iron oxide as possible and then fitted a new tank sender.

But I realised that this wasn't a complete solution and resolved to SOMEHOW get a prefilter in the system. And immediately encountered 2 problems! Problem number 1 is that, though fuel filters are 2 a penny and available everywhere, fuel filters with fittings for 12mm pipe emphatically AREN'T! Eventually I found one on ebay that offered a choice of fittings including 12mm only to find when i'd ordered it, that the guy didn't actually HAVE any 12mm ends in stock and HIS suppliers were out due to covid! So I waited 3 weeks for his stock to return, ordering ANOTHER new pump in the meantime, alas, in vain! Back on ebay and I found another, larger and more expensive prefilter WITH 12mm fittings from SimonBBC! This one also has the advantage of replaceable paper elements, so is "lifetime" in effect! The second problem is fitting a 6" long filter in a 5" long pipe betwixt tank and pump!

This is what it looks like fitted:-

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I plan to replace the big dangly loop of flexible hose with something bespoke in 12mm copper once the makings come from ebay! If I've had any problems from covid this is it! Waiting for stuff to come! I guess I should be grateful that's the extent of my worries!

So, having fitted this up and the new pump and filtered and refilled with petrol, I switched on, only to be greeted with another dull "thunk" of a duff pump! Not believing it, I went all round the rather complicated circuitry that works it, looking for errors or bad connections. This was further compounded by my draining and testing the LAST pump on a battery and discovering it ran, not well, but it ran!

In desperation I took a live from the battery to the still fitted new pump and still got the same thunk, so I pulled it off AGAIN (this is getting boring) and replaced it with the last (barely) running one . At least the engine is now running again! A final test of the new pump straight off a battery gives only a thunk and i'm now in touch with the supplier over it.

TBH, I'm not too hopeful, the last one that failed (the original on the Carledo) the supplier insisted I return it for test. Wherupon he CUT it apart and found (HE said) a flake of what looked like copper or brass (he sent it back to me in a little plastic baggie along with the destroyed pump) which had allegedly killed the pump. Since at that point the Carledo engine had only run for around 15 minutes on fuel drawn from a PLASTIC can, I didn't see where this metallic flake could have come from, but what was I to do? I had no pump and no real proof that the failure wasn't MY fault! We shall see what this (different) supplier has to say!

Steve

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