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 Post subject: Re: The Next Level
PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:31 pm 
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Just to prove that rear door wonky gaps came as standard..... on the production line;

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Cracking pic, where did you find that one lol
Not sure where it came from Murdo, check who originally posted it!

But it's quite a widely known picture that turns up quite often, both here and on the FB page.

A couple of days hard "adjusting" actually has my door gaps substantially better than that now! Despite the current doors being from at least 3 different cars!

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Level
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:43 pm 
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Just to prove that rear door wonky gaps came as standard..... on the production line;

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Cracking pic, where did you find that one lol
Not sure where it came from Murdo, check who originally posted it!

But it's quite a widely known picture that turns up quite often, both here and on the FB page.

A couple of days hard "adjusting" actually has my door gaps substantially better than that now! Despite the current doors being from at least 3 different cars!

Steve
Thanks Steve.

Have you ever seen the Youtube footage of doors being fitted on the production line, I believe there's a short film showing the difficulty they had, but I've searched and still cant find it, would love to see it.

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Built 26/6/1980 (one of the last built), Auto, Porcelain White - Genuine Mileage 52,820 (warranted).

Only 3 previous owners, (2 within the same family).

Supplied by Lavender Hill Garage Ltd, Enfield, London, by garage owner Jimmy Metcalfe on 30th September 1980 to Geoffery Robinson, Enfield.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:04 pm 
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Can't say i've seen that footage myself Murdo, sorry!

In other news, ive started on the complex business of making the trans shifter fit. My original plan was to use the Triumph auto shifter as it's a lot more compact and would (obviously) fit the tunnel unmodified. But it's short of a shift position as the new box has 4 speeds (1, 2, 3 and D) and the Triumph one only has 3 (1, 2 and D) Also the Omega's shifter has switches for sport and winter mode and lots of other electronics including a lockout solenoid to stop you taking it out of park unless the brake pedal is pressed and I think the reverse lights also run off it in some fashion i've not quite worked out yet!

There's no way this much bigger and bulkier unit would fit straight on top of the original auto tunnel, so I've built it up about an inch with a chunk of an old scrap 1500 manual tunnel I had lying around, this has given me clearance on the top of the box, but there still wasn't enough room for the shift rod on the N/S of the box and no way to affix it to the box once the tunnel was in position either so i've chopped out the n/s/r corner of the tunnel completely. This has let me shorten and attach the shift rod.


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Now I have to fabricate a new corner that is around 1.5" wider to accomodate the shift rod. I'll also make an inspection hatch to get into the side to reattach and adjust the shift rod if necessary at any time in the future.

Leaving some thinking time to mature on that, i've made up the hoses neccesary to locate the radiator header tank on the o/s flitch, just one small bracket to fabricate and the cooling system will be complete.

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I've also fabbed up the 2 top brackets for the radiator, just need to take them into the workshop to bend them into shape.

Finally for this weekend, i've treated the car to a new 096 battery, I was having an internal debate with myself over whether to use this size or the slightly smaller and less powerful 075 which is what the Carledo uses. In the end I sucked it up and bought the 096 on the basis that this car is automatic (so can't be bump started) and will have a lot more electrics and electronics attached, including stuff like clocks (3 in total which seems a bit silly, the car's original, one in the stereo and a 3rd in the trip computer display, i'd ditch the car's unreliable original if I could find a blank wood panel!) stereo memory and alarm functions that run all the time. Plus it was only a tenner more!

But I had to buy the battery at this point, so i'd know how big to make the carrier bracket for it!

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This will be mounted into the boot, immediately above the diff and behind the rear seat, for weight distribution, to enable a bigger battery to be fitted than the pathetically small standard Sprint's 038 and (probably most importantly) there just isn't ROOM for it under the bonnet anymore! I suppose I COULD have just BOUGHT a bracket, but where would the fun be in that?

Steve

And in Park you can see how tight the space is!

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 Post subject: Hmm......
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:54 am 
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i've made up the hoses neccesary to locate the radiator header tank on the o/s flitch, just one small bracket to fabricate and the cooling system will be complete.

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Will that work Steve?
Martin Bellinger had a lot of difficulties with the cooling system on his Vauxhall powered Toledo.
It is a scutter when you have to devise and employ a method to bleed the system.

Vectras have the header tank located on the bulkhead which lengthens the hoses a bit
but does allow for filling up without needing to bleed the system afterwards.


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 Post subject: Re: Hmm......
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:02 pm 
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i've made up the hoses neccesary to locate the radiator header tank on the o/s flitch, just one small bracket to fabricate and the cooling system will be complete.

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Will that work Steve?
Martin Bellinger had a lot of difficulties with the cooling system on his Vauxhall powered Toledo.
It is a scutter when you have to devise and employ a method to bleed the system.

Vectras have the header tank located on the bulkhead which lengthens the hoses a bit
but does allow for filling up without needing to bleed the system afterwards.


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I certainly hope so Ian! I've had no problems with the Carledo self bleeding with a Volvo header tank in that position. I have the advantage of starting (both times) with a cooling system adapted for a longitudinal engine position so a lot of the hoses etc are in basically the same layout as they were in the donor cars. Martin, using as he did the Redtop engine, which is ONLY fitted transversely in Vauxhalls, will have had to make it up as he went along and may have made some errors in heater in/out allocation or similar, he wouldn't be the first! And the Vauxhall pipe layout on any of them is not very intuitive.

And what you can't see in that pic is the T piece in the upper of the 2 pipes on that header, one end of the T goes to the radiator bleed pipe at the o/s top of the Saab rad and the other goes to the return pipe from the heated/ cooled/whatever throttle body which is the highest water point of the engine. And both of these are lower than the pipe as it enters the header bottle, so I'm reasonably confident it will be OK!

As an aside, the header bottle I have used this time is a Carlton one and it occupies a similar position on the Carlton, as does the larger and more weirdly shaped Omega one. I think the Vectra and Cav ones are up in the back corner because there's no room on the flitch (it's full of airbox) rather than any fluid dynamics reason.

Steve

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine EGP 247T (The Dolomega)
'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:25 pm 
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Been going quite well recently but nothing worthy of comment!

My rather haphazard methodology of flitting from one job to another doesn't do me any favours! But there is a method in my madness, when I get to a problem, or need to get some obscure small part, I just move on to something else while I think about it. That way, I keep making progress, even if it is on 6 different things at once!

But I now have an almost complete fuel supply and return system and an almost ready to fit tunnel. Only a little bit of fettling on both to complete.

I still need to make the mount for the header bottle, then turn my attention to the relay and trans ECU board inside the car and mounting the throttle potentiometer to the bulkhead and pedal. Onwards and upwards!

So just to make my life that bit more complex, last weekend I bought these Peugeot wing repeater lamps and spent a happy hour vandalizing a B post moulding to make it fit!

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I've wanted to fit extra indicator repeaters for a while now, but didn't want to use the normal choice of those horrid BL afterthoughts on the front wings. I don't really expect anyone else to copy me as its a pain to cut the moulding, tough to cut the post and difficult to wire up unless (like my car) all the internal trim and carpet is out. But you can if you really want to, i'm not patenting it and the lamps were only £3.05 each from ebay and I think they look pretty cool!

Steve

PS, I think i've spent too much time watching "project Binky", Their "anything worth doing is worth overdoing" engineering is rubbing off on me! I've honestly not lost track of the KISS principal, but I do love the little extra touches that distinguish a great build from one that is merely good. And i've become expert at lateral thinking!

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'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:57 am 
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I like your thinking,I to work on four things at a time, :D where are you fitting the EDU there's not much room

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:35 am 
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Repeaters look neat :D

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:20 am 
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Thanks Tony! Serendipity at work in my favour once again! I "just happen" to have an old Peugeot Expert van in my yard and noticed that the side repeaters on it are roughly the same size and (trapezoid?) shape as the bottom of the B post. A Q+D measure suggests they will go in and a trawl of ebay provides some cheap lamps from Hong Kong or somewhere. Despite the quoted delivery sometime in September, they turned up within a week of order! Even more fortuitous, there is a lovely big round hole in the inner B post immediately opposite where they fit, so wiring at this point is a doddle. However depth of hole is an issue so i'll probably trim down the bulbholder and solder wires onto the plug tags then make a block connector to attach it to the loom - with a bit of extra wire so the lamp can be unclipped from the outside (i've made sure this is possible) and pulled out to change a bulb if need be! Worst part? Probably needing to run a wire from the front to back loom on the N/S of the car, all the way acros the floor and up the O/S B post to the other lamp!

A lot of work for a simple effect, but i'm beginning to think about the Modified car cup at the 2020 TDCIR (I think you have enough of those) following years I probably won't bother as it'll be my daily from then on and it's hard to keep a daily clean enough to win prizes!

Steve

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine EGP 247T (The Dolomega)
'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:30 am 
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where are you fitting the EDU there's not much room?
Dave [/color]
The master engine ECU and the bulk of the relays are in this massive box under the bonnet

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But the trans ECU, relays for HRW, electric windows, central locking and an ignition live booster relay along with an old standard fusebox which i'm using as a busbar (no fuses in it) and a firm earthing point, are going on a panel i'm fitting flush to the bulkhead behind the glovebox. It has to go quite high up as i'm not gonna be fitting the parcel tray back to cover it up! Access WILL be possible, but the stuff going there shouldn't need much (hopefully none) maintainence.

Steve

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine EGP 247T (The Dolomega)
'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:32 pm 
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where are you fitting the EDU there's not much room?
Dave [/color]
The master engine ECU and the bulk of the relays are in this massive box under the bonnet

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But the trans ECU, relays for HRW, electric windows, central locking and an ignition live booster relay along with an old standard fusebox which i'm using as a busbar (no fuses in it) and a firm earthing point, are going on a panel i'm fitting flush to the bulkhead behind the glovebox. It has to go quite high up as i'm not gonna be fitting the parcel tray back to cover it up! Access WILL be possible, but the stuff going there shouldn't need much (hopefully none) maintainence.

Steve
Steve

Is the relay for the HRW normal or is it an up grade and ignition live booster relay an upgrade as well

Dave


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:24 pm 
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where are you fitting the EDU there's not much room?
Dave [/color]
The master engine ECU and the bulk of the relays are in this massive box under the bonnet

Image

But the trans ECU, relays for HRW, electric windows, central locking and an ignition live booster relay along with an old standard fusebox which i'm using as a busbar (no fuses in it) and a firm earthing point, are going on a panel i'm fitting flush to the bulkhead behind the glovebox. It has to go quite high up as i'm not gonna be fitting the parcel tray back to cover it up! Access WILL be possible, but the stuff going there shouldn't need much (hopefully none) maintainence.

Steve
Steve

Is the relay for the HRW normal or is it an up grade and ignition live booster relay an upgrade as well

Dave
All the relays are upgrades, there are 12 altogether! The ignition live booster relay is a result of there being not a lot of unfused ignition power in the original loom and a lot of things in the engine/trans dept that needed power. so the relay feeds the original fusebox's ignition output side (6 branches) to provide extra power all over the car.

Steve

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine EGP 247T (The Dolomega)
'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
Spectrum Auto Services, Servicing, Repairs, Electrical, Recomissioning, MOT prep, Trackerjack brake fitting service.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:18 pm 
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A quick update on the indicator repeaters, this is what it looks like in situ on the car!

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And the factory fitted hole that gives a bit of access on the inside!

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Also finished off the fuel feed pipe this evening, just one more piece of pipe to make and shape and the return will be done too.

And finally, just because I felt like it, i've welded a plate below and filled (with weld) the original door mirror holes in the N/S door, the mirrors i'm using fit further forward.

Steve

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine EGP 247T (The Dolomega)
'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
Spectrum Auto Services, Servicing, Repairs, Electrical, Recomissioning, MOT prep, Trackerjack brake fitting service.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:56 pm 
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Steve

The indicator repeaters look neat,I fitted focus repeaters in my front wings,was going the fit door mirrors with indicators built in but thought they looked to big for the dolomite

Dave


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:22 am 
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The indicator repeaters look neat,I fitted focus repeaters in my front wings,was going the fit door mirrors with indicators built in but thought they looked to big for the soloists

Dave
Yeah, I thought about that, but modern mirrors fitted like that are too big and clumsy for what is today a very small car.

I thought long and hard about the repeaters and settled for the B pillar as it's similar to the T2000 fitting. Finding the right shape lights was just the icing on the cake!

Steve

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine EGP 247T (The Dolomega)
'91 Cavalier 2ltr 8v auto
'95 Cavalier 2ltr 16v auto
Spectrum Auto Services, Servicing, Repairs, Electrical, Recomissioning, MOT prep, Trackerjack brake fitting service.
Apprentice served Triumph Specialist for 45 years and home of Maverick Triumph.PM for more info or quotes.


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