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 Post subject: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:36 pm 
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This isn't a Dolomite, but hoping it's ok...


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I have owned this car for just over 2 years now. Done various things to it and figured it deserved some form of a log. This thread is being started because I'm just about to undertake some work on it. Driving home today the clutch/gearbox went. Still feels like a clutch but doesn't appear to be disengaging the engine from the box. Also a couple of odd sounds going on. I'm hoping the clutch release bearing/fork is the problem. Time will tell.

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:11 pm 
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I've got an insane hankering for a Standard 10, so I can see where you coming from here!

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:04 am 
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I'd certainly give that a home, though it might end up lowered over American racing 5 spokes and powered by SBC!

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:39 am 
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I'd certainly give that a home, though it might end up lowered over American racing 5 spokes and powered by SBC!
*spits drink all over keyboard*

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:03 pm 
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Chapter 1: Clutching at Straws

First problem, I have a Mitsubishi Evo stuck on my lift for the foreseeable future. Going to have to do this the old fashioned way.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present: The old fashioned way! More than a little terrifying getting it up there. Best not go there.

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At this point I had a quick poke around with a bore scope. Hard to see what the hell was going on in the bellhousing, which can only be a bad thing.. So, looks like the box is coming out.

Prop off.

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Access panels in floor removed.

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Box drained, found this in the container, not too shabby for a box this old. Probably means the gearbox survived the clutch buggering up.

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Air cleaner (oil filled..) removed from engine, this gives me a bit more room to move the engine about

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Exhaust clamp removed for the same reason

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Gear lever surround removed, I then undid the 4 bolts in the picutre whilst holding my breath, expecting all manner of ping-f*ckits to leap forth (none did). Note broken contact on reverse light switch - that explains one of the other problems.

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I then loosened off the 9 (yes, an odd number) bolts that hold the gearbox cross-memeber on. By this point it was 21:45 and I decided it was probably home time!


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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 1:17 pm 
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all manner of ping-f*ckits to leap forth
:lol: This, every time I even look at a gearbox!

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:59 pm 
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Chapter 2: A Work of Friction

Today was the day I discovered my fate. Luckily, it wasn't anything too terrible.

Loosened off the starter motor and moved it back as far as possible (sadly it hits the oil filter..)

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Bellhousing bolts off (except one or two poked through to save my head) and all but two of the crossmember bolts out

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Minor shoe repair - zip ties to the rescue

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Box out, by this point I'm expecting carnage

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Turns out dropping the box onto a tyre and some wood makes it easier to get it out without killing yourself

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The problem is..... My friction plate has fallen to bits! £200 for a kit (pressure plate looks a little worse for wear too)

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If anyone is really interested, there is a video of me prodding the friction plate ---> HERE <--- . New one is on order, hopefully be here for the weekend (although I'm pretty busy this weekend).


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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
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I'm amazed, I expected it to have a column shift. And it has the same double parallel piston master cylinder as my old ZA Magnette which dated from a similar period (56 in my case) though not fitted in the same place.

I have a particular soft spot for station wagons, estate cars, shooting brakes and the like - and this is a particularly fine example of the breed. It would be somewhat sacriligious to customise it,

So I will settle happily for a triumph 2000 estate - with a Turbo'd Skyline 6 pot I think (too many V8 ones about already) Like Jag used to claim for their cars, I like "grace, pace and space" If I ever find one I can afford that ISN'T falling to bits!

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 10:41 am 
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It always amuses me the way BMC stuff is about 3 times the size of Triumph equivalents in the gearbox department....

There is a fair bit of commonality between those old "Bessies" and Z magnettes....

I'm sure you could find an MGB ish clutch for a lot cheaper....

In fact a complete MGB engine box and back axle would make that go very nicely with a disk front brake job too....

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 6:46 pm 
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I would imagine this clutch has a coil spring cover and a carbon thrust bearing, my ZA did. I started young, the ZA finished up with an overbored early 3 bearing MGB lump and O/D box but making the front well ZA sump fit the newer block and not leak oil was a nightmare that still haunts me 40 odd years later.

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine (The Dolomega)
'72 Triumph 1500FWD in Slate Grey, Now with RWD and Carledo powertrain!

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 Post subject: Re: 1959 Morris Oxford
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 7:10 pm 
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Interesting....
I'm likely to have the same problem sometime in the hopefully not too distant future...
Saw a lovely ZBV at a recent day out with an 18V MGB engine and a type 9 box. Didn't look to shabby with the proper air cleaner
and original ZB carbs I assume....

Not far off my ideal car that....

Jonners

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