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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:47 pm 
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A couple of final words on the PDWA before I let the subject go. Jeroen is perfectly correct in that these parts were almost universal on British cars fitted with Girling dual circuit brakes in the late 70s. Stags and TR6s and 7s had them as well as MGBs and Midgets and other stuff like (notably) MkI Cavaliers. But it's more than interesting to note that, after their introduction circa 1977, they were widely used, but then completely dropped, by 1982 they had completely disappeared from production cars. If they were that good, they'd still be using them today! IMO it was just a passing fad by Girling, Lockheed and other dedicated brake manufacturers didn't make or sell a comparable unit. Either that or they were an attempt to comply with projected legislation from somewhere (USA maybe?) that failed to materialize. Like the much touted "no more convertibles" law in California which caused all the early TR7s to be built as hardtops and which turned out to be BS.

The other point, and I know one instance is not a statistical universe, back in 78, I was road testing a brand new Cavalier 2.0 MkI after PDIing it and experienced a total brake failure which turned out to be a faulty PDWA. I wasn't going fast, fortunately and managed to haul it to a stop with the handbrake, but it gave me a bit of a moment! There was no fluid loss and i'm still not sure how I lost all pedal on a dual system, but there you are. It was replaced under warranty and, from the alacrity with which the claim was accepted, I infer it wasn't unheard of. OTOH, i've never experienced such a failure since, nor do I know anyone who has, but I have heard reports from other dual circuit Dolomite owners where failure of a single circuit has resulted in a total loss of effective pedal, which kinda negates the point of having dual circuit brakes! I don't know whether this is down to the PDWA, it's only a suspicion, none of the cars i've deleted the PDWA on (now in double figures) has yet suffered a circuit failure.

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I agree Steve. If it was so good we would still be using it. I don't have the PDWA on my car (I had it on a previous Sprint) but I will be fitting a master cylinder with a level sensor in it, wired to a specific warning light. That's the other big issue, the PDWA warning light is shared with the handbrake and a lot of drivers think the handbrake is not quite released, or that the handbrake switch is playing up.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:43 pm 
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Having just fitted a club refurbished MC to my 1500SE I wish I had found this before I tried bleeding the brakes. I used a pressure bleeder at 18 psi (hand pumped) and the fronts were not a problem but I have no fluid at the rear so will have to start again.....

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:07 pm 
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Having just fitted a club refurbished MC to my 1500SE I wish I had found this before I tried bleeding the brakes. I used a pressure bleeder at 18 psi (hand pumped) and the fronts were not a problem but I have no fluid at the rear so will have to start again.....
If all else fails, I'm still supplying the PDWA bypass kit if you need one!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:55 am 
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If all else fails, I'm still supplying the PDWA bypass kit if you need one!

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Thanks, sent you a PM. Before I got the car it had new calipers, hoses etc. so the front end is fine however after 5 months I changed the master because I had to suck black rubber reside out of the reservoir 3 times so it appeared the seals were braking down in the master. whether the piston in the PWDA is stuck or not I don't know

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:53 pm 
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OK better late than never..

I took the decision to replace the rear brake cylinders and brake shoes and when replacing them there was no fluid in either cylinder or leaking from the pipes themselves.. Not Good.

So set about changing the flexi hose, rear axle to body. Not so easy with the car on axle stands but as soon as I undid the front flexi connector (forward one bracketed on the body) I had fluid leaking out of the copper pipe from the PDWA valve.

Once the new armoured stainless hose was on at that end, I was playing in fluid running out the flexi pipe trying to connect to the copper at the axle end.

Once all the rear brakes were connected back up (wasn't straightforward due to reasons I won't bore you with) I had fluid running out of the nearside rear bleed nipple so decided to check the flexi I had removed. I couldn't push a wire through and tried adding vacuum bleeder at either end and as you can see in the picture, the hose is well and truly 100% blocked somewhere internally.

So if you don't have fluid at the rear bleed nipple try undoing the inlet pipe at the offside cylinder and work back from there to the flexi until you do find fluid, as has already been suggested, gravity alone should allow fluid to run from the master cylinder back to the rear of the car without needing to press the brake pedal.

The worrying thing is that I have driven the car since June with no rear brakes.......
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If all else fails, I'm still supplying the PDWA bypass kit if you need one!

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Didn't need to do anything with the PDWA as you can read the problem was elsewhere in the system, but thanks for the offer.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:59 pm 
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The rear flexi hose on Dolomites seems particularly prone to this sort of blockage/accidental flap valve failure and I have no real idea why that should be. 50+ years in the car repair business, of course i've seen failed/blocked hoses. But not all that many and it seems, looking back, that most of the more recent (last 20 years) cases have been Dolomite rear ones. Maybe, like all rubber related products for cars, the quality lately has taken a nosedive. But that doesn't explain why only the rear hose suffers and not the front ones too.

But for many years, when I get another Dolomite shaped car (or a customer car for work) the first thing I do is sort the braking system and one thing I ALWAYS do is swap out the original flexi hoses for the Goodridge braided type. I've never had one of those fail in this way. Which, in my book, is the best reason for doing it. I'm aware that many people think it's overkill/not necessary on street cars and even some who claim they aren't as safe (like to see some evidence please) All I can say is they work for me, fit and forget!

I use my own cars pretty hard on road and track and have done for more than 12 years and many thousands of miles in some cars. No failures to date.

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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine (The Dolomega)
'72 Triumph 1500FWD in Slate Grey, Now with RWD and Carledo powertrain!

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But for many years, when I get another Dolomite shaped car (or a customer car for work) the first thing I do is sort the braking system and one thing I ALWAYS do is swap out the original flexi hoses for the Goodridge braided type. I've never had one of those fail in this way. Which, in my book, is the best reason for doing it. I'm aware that many people think it's overkill/not necessary on street cars and even some who claim they aren't as safe (like to see some evidence please) All I can say is they work for me, fit and forget!

I use my own cars pretty hard on road and track and have done for more than 12 years and many thousands of miles in some cars. No failures to date.

Steve
I fitted a Goodridge hose at the rear as well. The front flexis had all been replaced along with the calipers a couple of years before I acquired the car. Good to know I made the right choice.

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