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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:24 pm 
Firstly, hi. I 1st came across this site about 4 months ago when I was interested it getting a Dolomite but then it all fell through. Over time I kind of lost interest until the other day when I had a go in a Lada (boo, hiss?) and it respareked my interest for 'old' cars.

Anywho , now I'm interested in getting a Dolomite again and have come across an advert for a 1978 Triumph Dolomite 1300. The only worry I have is in the advert it says:
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Quoted from the advert:
.. There is slight noise from one tappet...
Now in all honesty, I don't know what a tappet it..
I was just wondering if this is something I should be worried about. I'll hopefully be going for a viewing shortly but was wondering if you guys could let me know what I should look out for or if this could cause future problems ?

Cheers,

Phil


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:17 pm 
Welcome Phil,

I'm a "very limited edition" member of the Dolly Club (ie female), and although I don't know loads about mechanics, a slightly noisy tappet shouldn't be too much of a problem :). I would say, at a guess, that it just needs adjusting up, which isn't too much of a job at all.

Where are you based, as I'm sure there is probably a very helpful club member who could assist you nearby :D.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:37 pm 
Thanks for your reply and that’s good news.

I know nothing of car mechanics which does worry me slightly. Infact it makes me think if I should get a Dolomite.. From looking about on sites such as this one, alot of people seem to carry out work on their cars themseles. As I couldn't do this I feel a dolomite could potentialy be expensive as I'm sure a garage would love to make money out of me if it required work.

I looked up what a Tappet was in Wiki:
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Over time, tappets fail and may break. The result is that they no longer close and open the valves properly. This causes the affected cylinder to constantly misfire. The car will be noticeably slower, the idle speed will be lower, sometimes the car will shudder, and it may produce copious amounts of smoke (as opposed to the normal small amounts of slightly bluish smoke from petrol/gasoline engines and black smoke from diesel engines).
That doesn't sound to good. However, if you think its fixable then it may not be a bad as it seems.. Don't worry, I wont hold you accountable!

I live in Letchworth which is in Hertfordshire.

Phil


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:56 pm 
I appreciate what you are saying Phil, as I couldn't even of contemplated buying a Dolly if it wasn't for my partner, as he is very good with cars, and so saves me a fortune in labour charges :D. I'm also lucky in the fact that I have several club members nearby to me, who have proved to be invaluable 8).

Please don't be too despondent though, as depending on the rest of the condition of the car, it might prove to be a good buy.

I'm sure that there are some members based near to you, who would be delighted to help out in any way they can :) . You might need to give it a while though before your posting is spotted, as at the weekends this board is frequented more in the evenings, so keep checking back.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:28 pm 
needs someone who knows what they're talking about to have a proper listen. may not be the tappet. if it is the tappet its EASILY adjusted, all thats required for the drop will be a couple of screwdrivers, spanners, possibly some gasket sealant for the top cover and some feeler gauges, and maybe an hour or so, less for someone who knows what they're doing...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:54 pm 
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needs someone who knows what they're talking about to have a proper listen. may not be the tappet...
That's my fear. I'm not someone who knows what I'm talking about.
I think I'll bring my Dad along when I have a look. He's quite good with cars, not too sure about the older ones though.

Debs, here's the rest of the advert. Going by what is said there, other than the highlighted bad points, I think it sounds alright:
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Dolomite Advert:
Triumph Dolomite 1300
- 1978 reg
- 71,136 miles
- 3 former keepers
- MOT until June 18th 2007
- Tax until end Nov 2006

Genuine low mileage example in very good condition which is kept garaged and used regularly. Red with beige cloth interior, brown carpets and white headlining.

Interior condition is excellent with unmarked cloth seats and unmarked headlining. Wood and carpets are all good too.

Exterior is in very good condition with superb front wings, doors bonnet. Only slight rust behind the rear wheel arches, a dent on the front passenger door and a slightly displaced rear bumper. All of these are very easily repaired or just left as is in the pictures.

Drives very well indeed and I have done 1000 miles in the last six months without worry. There is slight noise from one tappet but again this is easily lived with as it is. It has not got any worse and I regularly change the oil. Some notable recent bills from the history file are:

October 1997 - Replacement engine fitted at 64,000 miles @ £1,239.
March 2004 - Recon gearbox @ £385
April 2004 - Diff assembly @ £94
April 2004 - Fit the diff @ £117
May 2005 - Clutch slave and cylinder @ £124
What to you reckon?

Phil


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:46 pm 
may I be rude an ask how much?, because price,?
condition of body?
interior,?
mecanics?
would be the order of my consideration,I would far rather sort out a tappet than spend hours repairing the ravages of tin worm,parts are cheap,new/second hand,and on a basic car such as a dolomite, you can learn quickly what each part under the bonnet doses ,it will educate you to spot being ripped of later in life by doggy garages, Its your money! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:14 pm 
Going by the advert Phil (and depending on the price), it looks quite a good buy. It's certainly had some money spent on it over the last few years, and it's good that you have got some history on it too.

The only history I got with mine was all it's MOT certificates and the service log book stamped up until it was about 6 years old :!:.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:32 pm 
how many miles had the replacment engine done when it was fitted?
seems a hell of a lot to pay for an engine swap. the garage must have charged him £500 an hour.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:41 pm 
agree with both justyn and debs to a point... could be a very good buy, but we havent seen her in the flesh or driven her so its very hard to say.

"only light rust behind rear wheel arches"

all relative really but depends on whats meant by 'light rust'. easy enough to get plated, a local classic friendly garage who's handy with a welder would charge you maybe £100 - £150 to plate the rotten bits, but depending on the extent of the rot the repair mission could involve removal of fuel tank for welding, not a big job in itself but theres another hours worth of time on the bill. forget the filler and underseal, it'll rot through again inside 12 mths.

£1k or so for the lump replacement isnt bad if the labour included the supply of a brand new 0 miles engine, but at the end of the day the value of any dolly is mainly in the condition of the body. you can get hold of a complete set of running gear for a sprint 2nd/3rd or so hand for £few hundred in known working order.

no disrespect to justyn but a 1300 square headlighter isnt really ever gona be worth much more than £1500 for a complete minter with 12mths tax n ticket.

my view of 1300 price markers:

any car with 12mth ticket - £400 - 500
1300 in fair condition with 12mth ticket £600 - £700
1300 in good condition with 12 mth ticket £800 - £1000
1300 in VGC, no visible rot and 12 mths £1000 - £1500
1300 concors mint bling bling show car (showroom) £1500 - £2k tops
1300SE - forget it, you'll never find one, £3k for minter, I only know of one in existance!

these wont be far wrong and probably the root of some debate for the argumentative on here...

my opinion based on the description, pay more than £900 and you may as well get ya boxers off, bend over and give the bloke some vaseline into the deal. :lol:

if the car's that great get him to stick a fresh 12mths on it. it'll be easier for him to sell too. a lot can happen to a car in 6mths, and some carefully smoothed filler and underseal can easy appear to look like good solid metal, even if prodded, poked and tapped with a hammer, as I well know to my own poor judgement!

remember you're basically buying a pretty good shell with good interior that moves under its own power. 1300 is a pretty bullet proof motor and theres arguments to say it was the most reliable lump ever to roll out of canley, and a 1300 dolly is generally a great 1st car and/or entry level classic with cheap insurance... but while pretty good motors all said and done, 1300's (and to a slightly lesser degree 1500's) are worth next to jack all compared with 1850 and sprint as theres not much demand for them.

before you commit if thats your plan, keep your eye out for a 1500HL. theres more value in twin headlighters (even though the square lamps are actually better IMO if you fit halogens), and you'll also find there wont be much difference in the insurance.

young/new drivers are often easy prey for sellers, and its sometimes hard to tell how much integrity the seller has.

if possible get under the thing and have a good close look at the bushes, front and back (rubber bits on all the suspension arms, nearer the middle of the car rather than the far ends if you know what i mean). perished bushes are a proper pain to change. get your old man to take it out for a few miles as a test pilot, and give it what for too, not just a plod about. look where its been standing - any traces of oil or other fluid leaks on the floor?

be ruthless and relentless, lots of questions. numpties and blaggers may not have answers for all your questions and buckle under pressure, and make sure the answers sound consistant with the whole story.

im not trying to put you off, but with little experience it pays to have someone you know and trust with you. where are you and wheres the car? may be a club member nearby who could come along and have a look with you...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:59 pm 
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a 1300 dolly is generally a great 1st car and/or entry level classic with cheap insurance... but while pretty good motors all said and done, 1300's (and to a slightly lesser degree 1500's) are worth next to jack all compared with 1850 and sprint as theres not much demand for them.

before you commit if thats your plan, keep your eye out for a 1500HL. theres more value in twin headlighters (even though the square lamps are actually better IMO if you fit halogens), and you'll also find there wont be much difference in the insurance.
As the 1850 and Sprints are more desirable, that means that the 1300 and 1500's need rescuing :!:. You've only got to look at the basic Mk 1 Escorts for sale these days to see that. The base models are commanding really good prices now, as anyone into escorts were busy saving the RS and Mexico.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:06 pm 
true debs but escorts are not of the same quality as triumphs, in fact i'd go so far as to say 'shite'

lets be realistic - whats desirable about an escort 1300 L or popular?

most of em have been smashed, bent, rotted to fook and look like patchwork quilts underneath.

many base model escorts are snapped up if they're any good to be converted to look like an RS or mexico. duno why, standard sprint would p1ss on standard rs2000 anyway.

...and leaf spring suspension is for pickup trucks.

the demand for escorts in my eyes is based on the same theory as people who like football... lemmings.

:funny:


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 Post subject: Re: Location
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:09 pm 
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I live in Letchworth which is in Hertfordshire.

Phil
Already asked that question :!:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:12 pm 
aha, too busy ranting about escorts, sorry.

bit far for me, must be someone over that way...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:41 pm 
Phil if you go and see the car and you dont buy it can you post some photos?,as its getting quite interesting,
I recently joined the club (paid my £26) ,one of the reasons was the quality of advice and knowledge expressed by members,the exploits of a certain uni going all yellow dolomite owner has increased my knowledge greatly,and made me wonder what happened to my energy and drive,the clubs ability to atract youger new dolomite owners is a great yardstick of success, If this car not the one for your I am sure some body can steer you in the direction of a good one :D


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