Wire ringed block?

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Wire ringed block?

#1 Post by tinweevil »

In the Coombe write up DF wrote:
When i ran a sprint engine i had the block wire ringed around the cylinders
Dave mac did the block for me and i never had a gasket failure in all the years i abused it and abused it i did
Sounds interesting, can anyone offer links, pictures, more info etc. Always looking to learn me.

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#2 Post by Lewis »

Quite a common mod in extremely high-boost or competitive applications when the cylinder pressures are high and exceed what the head gasket can withstand. You basically cut a relief groove in the block (or head) and fit a small piece of wire (or something that forms a 'ring', as it's also known as "O-ringing the block") around each of the bores. This helps the head gasket (which usually is a copper one or a performance gasket that's designed to accept rings) clamp firmly against the mating surfaces, giving greater sealing and preventing blow by from either the combustion chamber or waterways.

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As mentioned, you should only really use it with copper head gaskets or those that are specifically designed to recieve the wire that is laying on the surface - otherwise you end up with a protrusion from the face which doesn't help sealing, quite the opposite. You can sometimes use standard gaskets but an awful lot of care must be taken to ensure the ring does not protrude too much, or cut into the gasket.

You can fit the o-rings to the head but that is a high-precision affair and can be quite costly if it goes wrong (i.e. it's easy to centre a cutting tool around the bore, not so the surface of the combustion chamber - and a block is easier to replace than a head that's had a lot of work). Depending on the size of rings and the desired clamping forces, you sometimes must cut 'reciever' grooves into the head that match those in the block, to prevent (again) the rings cutting the gasket.

A machined, flat block surface (that's at the proper angle), a good finished head and a "decent" head gasket, however, should give you no grief - so unless you intend on running vast amounts of boost through one, or are just looking to experiment with a disposable engine, I wouldn't really worry about it.....

One downside with this process is that as you can now sustain much higher combustion chamber pressures, when you blow it up, you tend to take the head, valves, bottom end or pistons out - instead of just the gasket.........so it can be a double-edged sword :lol:
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I used a very similar procedure in my old Imp race engine. The groove was cut slightly wider and a squashy ring filled with an inert gas (known as a Wills Ring) used in the groove with a thin paper head gasket only. The wills rings did the sealing and allowed for minute movement of the head and block.

They are still used widely in racing.
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#4 Post by Lewis »

Hah, that sounds really neat - like these?:

http://www.tss.trelleborg.com/com/www/m ... ngs_gb.pdf

Seems like a great solution!
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#5 Post by mbellinger »

The very same - and they work brilliantly.

Imps are also known for head gasket failure and warping issues in standard form.

Almost every highly tuned Imp lump runs Wills Rings. They were also popular at one stage on high performance versions of the 3 litre Ford Essex lump.
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#6 Post by DF »

You can wire ring the sprint block with the standard gasket it has to be done in a machine shop
You can buy the hand cutters but the wire HAS to be at the correct depth i used piano wire and it was installed to just back up the fire ring THE ENDS HAVE TO BE CUT SQUARE AND IT HAS TO BUT UP PERFECTLY (dam caps)
I also cleaned the block and head face with lots of Thinners and got it Squeeky clean i then used a special glue that is sprayed onto the head gasket faces , i still have some as i use it on my cos engine its expensive but worth it
Wills rings i have heard good and bad about i would not use these my self as a lot of high power cos engines have failed with this set up
If you were going to use an ebay gasket i would seriously consider having wire ringing done but IT has to be done correctly
Andy chesman has done thousands of blocks like this and thats who i would entrust my engine block with
If it can stop a high boost turbo engine spitting its gasket.....well :wink:
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Thank you all. One day I'll have an engine worth protecting. One day...... Sigh.
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carpe diem Tin, carpe diem...
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Very interesting......................and I would love to do it, but I cannot be arsed to :cry:
A nice Ford 302 V8 is what my sprint needs. 8)
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#10 Post by xvivalve »

...but there are TWO head gaskets on one of those Jon :P

(sorry, couldn't resist it)
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trackerjack wrote:Very interesting......................and I would love to do it, but I cannot be arsed to :cry:
A nice Ford 302 V8 is what my sprint needs. 8)
Only a 302?

I have one word for you.

HEMI. 8)
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#12 Post by DF »

And massive understeer :D
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