My wheel just snapped off!

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My wheel just snapped off!

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This just happened going around a roundabout at 15mph. It appears that the bottom of the vertical link that holds the trunnion has snapped off :shock:

I'm stuck in the middle of a busy Greenwich roundabout and the AA are going to take two hours to come out - and that's as a priority call. Not happy. :evil:

Looks like a suspension rebuild is due :roll:

Anyone got a good Spitfire front o/s suspension link going spare?

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#2 Post by DoloWIGHTY »

Ouch! Looks as though you going to have to put the roof up soon too.

Hope you get moving soon.
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Brilliant. An AA van turned up and the chap said "you'll need a flatbed for that"..

I told them that two hours ago :roll:
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Stan Part wrote:Ouch! Looks as though you going to have to put the roof up soon too.

Hope you get moving soon.
Hoods up now. Bit of a faff as I fitted it whilst the hardtop was on so it needed adjusting!
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Howard81 wrote:Brilliant. An AA van turned up and the chap said "you'll need a flatbed for that"..
I told them that two hours ago :roll:
Reminds me of when we broke down in our Stag. Told them it would need to be recovered (head gasket failure) on a flat bed (automatic gearbox).

First they sent a van, the driver of which tried to tell me it might be the thermostat. Then they sent a spectacle lift, the driver of which spotted it was an auto. Finally, two-and-a-half hours later, a flat bed arrived. :roll:

It was a very cold day and rainy day in November. We had no heater and our roof leaked - a lot. :cry:

Hope you get sorted soon, Howard!
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#6 Post by Howard81 »

Just arrived back home, nice and warm at last.

So far I think the lower wishbone, shock and track rod end look okay so hopefully I can get away with just replacing the vertical link and trunnion.

Thankfully there is no body damage whatsoever, just a bit of stonechip rubbed off the bulkhead.. Phew!
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#7 Post by JPB »

Uprated trunnions designed to use semi-liquid grease, rather than oil, were - last time I checked - available from Reliant for the Rebel, thing is; those are specified as suitable for GT6 & Vitesse, Spitfire & Herald aren't mentioned on the packaging, does this mean that the Spitfire takes a smaller trunnion with smaller thread? If so, then this won't help you, if not, and Spitfire and GT6 are the same, then it would be well worth your asking both Reliant themselves (Partsworld) and Graham Walker about these bits as they certainly used to be far cheaper than buying the older type of trunnions from Triumph specialists.
I've seen broken links and stripped trunnions on the heavier cars that use these; Scimitars and Vitesses but rarely on Spitfires and Rebels - then only when someone had put grease in the trunnion in error, causing the flutes to clog and making it impossible for future applications of the correct grade of oil to be squirted through.

At least they rarely break at speed, that's something I suppose.
As for expecting a recovery service person to listen when you explain, for whatever reason, that you need a flatbed, I've never had any luck that way either. Perhaps they have to be the one to assess the need for the larger vehicle since there are people out there who, unlike us, wouldn't necessarily know what was required and if the recovery operators took notice of what their customers asked for, then there'd inevitably be cases when the wrong vehicle for the job might be sent out.
Perhaps Justyn could advise regarding why that's the way it is?
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#8 Post by timinder »

I've had both sides fail (at different times!) on my Scimitar, but they are TR6-derived units. I don't think they're compatible with the Spitfire.
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As far as I am aware, the GT6 and Vitesse used uprated parts - Spitfires and Heralds are the same though.

I'm going to get a new vertical link and trunnion, to put on the car as I need it mobile ASAP, but I'm certainly going to rebuild the trunnion on the other side too and get a good look at the state of the link that's on there..

So far all dismantled, will get some paint tomorrow too 8)

Only problem is, I can't get the track rod end unbolted from the upright, its undone most of the way, but the ball-joint is spinning in its socket!

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JPB wrote:Uprated trunnions designed to use semi-liquid grease, rather than oil, were - last time I checked - available from Reliant for the Rebel, thing is; those are specified as suitable for GT6 & Vitesse, Spitfire & Herald aren't mentioned on the packaging, does this mean that the Spitfire takes a smaller trunnion with smaller thread? If so, then this won't help you, if not, and Spitfire and GT6 are the same, then it would be well worth your asking both Reliant themselves (Partsworld) and Graham Walker about these bits as they certainly used to be far cheaper than buying the older type of trunnions from Triumph specialists.
I've seen broken links and stripped trunnions on the heavier cars that use these; Scimitars and Vitesses but rarely on Spitfires and Rebels - then only when someone had put grease in the trunnion in error, causing the flutes to clog and making it impossible for future applications of the correct grade of oil to be squirted through.
All trunnions the same, but different uprights.
Not sure how a different trunnion will help, it is cracks in th evertical link that cause all the problems, and that is usually lacl of oil in the past, or indeed an idiot thinking grease will be fine :evil: or in one case a bloke who, even though he was shown the workshop manual, decided he knew better.

Had two break, both os, on the same car a couple of years apart. First tme 3 hours to get home 1 mile. Second time I took a complete spare upright and trolley jack to sainsburies and did the job in the car park. About 25 mins.
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#11 Post by cliftyhanger »

Looks like crusty grease in there...............and down the centre of the vertical link.

Canleys sell an undrilled vertical link, bit stronger but a pain to fill with oil. Unless somebody has a cunning plan??

I am seriously thinking of the trunnionless jobbies for my spitfire. All these breakages scare me :?
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#12 Post by Howard81 »

Is that bit in the centre meant to be hollow?

It was fully of a rusty and mucky sludge. The other side is certainly getting a rebuild ASAP!

This should explain the differences between cars:

http://www.club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/ ... 302203996/
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#13 Post by matienzo »

Standard trunnion failure due to either no lubrication or use of grease. When you assemble it you should fill the base of the trunnion with gear oil (GL4). You should be oiling the trunnions maybe a couple of times per year and ignore any manual or advice which suggests using grease. Get hold of an oil gun and inject through the grease nipple until oil passes out of the rubber seal. Grease does not penetrate the threads in the trunnion so parts run dry and effectively seize and cause the damage you have. Lubricated with oil the trunnions last for years, you'll only need to change the bush once in a while. There is no reason to fit any sort of uprated vertical link. You can get a neat little oil gun for £17? from Frost Auto restorers in Rochdale. You'll also notice much better handling with new trunnions and bushes.
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Complete second hand vertical links/stub axle/trunnion assemblies here in North Hampshire. Came off our Spitfire MkIV when I converted it to Canleys Trunnionless Caterham front suspension. Good condition £30 the pair
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#15 Post by Reg »

Wow Howard!.. :shock: That could of been very bad indeed mate..glad you wasn't in the fast lane! :chant:
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