SU dashpots were never polished by the factory.
Bling merchants only...
They should be left dull alloy.
Jonners
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That's my opinion as well so I'll leave them be, if it causes an argument with a concours judge I'll have to rethink.SU dashpots were never polished by the factory.
Bling merchants only...
Didn't realise that the carb spacing was different so it must be a hybrid Tony. I can't see a receipt for a replacement air box and why would I? Unless the old one got severly damaged in some way. So all the evidence points to the factory using up TR7 Sprint parts!! I love finding stuff like this, it all adds to the history of the cars production!
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I too found out the hard way that a Sprint airbox backplate has different carb spacing to a TR7 one...
You can just use the outer bit with the dipstick thingy no worries...I do on mine.
Later TR7 airboxes dont have tubes like a Sprint as they have a flap valve for pulling heated air from around the exhaust.
Could well have been some spares with the dipstick tube holder knocking about then...
But my Sprint airbox has always been black..
What you get is what you get...
Jonners
You can just use the outer bit with the dipstick thingy no worries...I do on mine.
Later TR7 airboxes dont have tubes like a Sprint as they have a flap valve for pulling heated air from around the exhaust.
Could well have been some spares with the dipstick tube holder knocking about then...
But my Sprint airbox has always been black..
What you get is what you get...
Jonners
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I haven't got a huge update, it's been half term this week and most of my time has been spent entertaining the kids and performing my usual house husbandry duties so I haven't had a huge amount of time to work on getting the carbs back together properly. To be honest I'd like to have had them done by now and by the looks of things I'm about a week behind on this.
But you can't rush perfection!!
So, as you all know I like to dry assemble everything first just to make sure there's nothing missing or something doesn't look right and needs to be re finished. I have placed the head back on the block with some tape to protect the faces, then mounted the inlet manifold so I can have somewhere to assemble the carbs. It's easier this way, I don't have to have the inlet manifold on the bench at an odd angle and I can make sure everything fits properly.
The only thing I haven't done is to fit the linkage, I wanted to make sure that the finish on the carbs matched the inlet manifold and head. To be honest the vapour blasting gives a really nice shiny finish and I'd love the carbs to be a bit better but I think as they are they are bang on factory, any shinier and they would be a bit too bling I think. The rubber mountings are the original ones simply cleaned up, there are no cracks in them so until I can get a set of club ones ordered and anodised black they will be fine.
As the weather's been good today I started finishing the air box, I finished the welds off with a flap disc then gave it a skim of filler followed by a coat of acid etch.
A bit more work to do, it needed another slight skim to round out that flat spot where the weld was.
More filler and sanding and it's ready for a final sand and top coat tomorrow.
The back plate has had much the same done to it to remove some pitting, I'll post some photos of that tomorrow.
The only other thing I did was to paint the rocker cover in satin engine enamel, this was after a consultation with my powder coater who admitted that I would get a better finish this way.
I then masked around the lettering and wet sanded it back with 400 wet and dry on a sanding block.
An 'arty' shot, but it still needs some more work with some 800 then possibly 1000 to get a nice smooth satin finish to it.
But all in all, so far I am quite happy about the way the engine is looking.
I just need to get the linkage on the carbs sorted then they can be finally assembled tomorrow I hope. I'll then spend the next couple of days getting the air box perfect so next weekend I can get the bottom and top ends of the engine assembled.
Happy Halloween everyone!
But you can't rush perfection!!
So, as you all know I like to dry assemble everything first just to make sure there's nothing missing or something doesn't look right and needs to be re finished. I have placed the head back on the block with some tape to protect the faces, then mounted the inlet manifold so I can have somewhere to assemble the carbs. It's easier this way, I don't have to have the inlet manifold on the bench at an odd angle and I can make sure everything fits properly.
The only thing I haven't done is to fit the linkage, I wanted to make sure that the finish on the carbs matched the inlet manifold and head. To be honest the vapour blasting gives a really nice shiny finish and I'd love the carbs to be a bit better but I think as they are they are bang on factory, any shinier and they would be a bit too bling I think. The rubber mountings are the original ones simply cleaned up, there are no cracks in them so until I can get a set of club ones ordered and anodised black they will be fine.
As the weather's been good today I started finishing the air box, I finished the welds off with a flap disc then gave it a skim of filler followed by a coat of acid etch.
A bit more work to do, it needed another slight skim to round out that flat spot where the weld was.
More filler and sanding and it's ready for a final sand and top coat tomorrow.
The back plate has had much the same done to it to remove some pitting, I'll post some photos of that tomorrow.
The only other thing I did was to paint the rocker cover in satin engine enamel, this was after a consultation with my powder coater who admitted that I would get a better finish this way.
I then masked around the lettering and wet sanded it back with 400 wet and dry on a sanding block.
An 'arty' shot, but it still needs some more work with some 800 then possibly 1000 to get a nice smooth satin finish to it.
But all in all, so far I am quite happy about the way the engine is looking.
I just need to get the linkage on the carbs sorted then they can be finally assembled tomorrow I hope. I'll then spend the next couple of days getting the air box perfect so next weekend I can get the bottom and top ends of the engine assembled.
Happy Halloween everyone!
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Hope your not going to put oil in that engine and make it greasy 
Looks exceptional as always.
Looks exceptional as always.
NRW 581W Sprint
On the motorway no one can hear me sing!
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On the motorway no one can hear me sing!
Construed as a public service, self preservation in reality.
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You haven't seen underneath the rocker cover Mahesh, you could eat your dinner in there!! 
I will add that vapour blasted parts like the head have only been blasted on the external faces, just in case there is the slightest chance of having embedded media within the aluminium.
It took me ages to find those Vandervell bearings, I don't want them eaten up!
I will add that vapour blasted parts like the head have only been blasted on the external faces, just in case there is the slightest chance of having embedded media within the aluminium.
It took me ages to find those Vandervell bearings, I don't want them eaten up!
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Reassembling the carbs, can someone check that I have fitted the choke cam spring right here? The spring itself is the correct one as the carbs are waxstat.
It's a bugger to fit! I think I have its just that I didn't get a clear photo of it when I stripped the carbs down.
In the basis that I have fitted it correctly (if I haven't it can easily be removed) I completely dry fitted the carbs and linkage to the manifold.
I made a new linkage rod as the old one was badly worn, all the springs are brand new.
Spring detail closeup
Everything will come back off and be properly lubricated before the final fit. Before that I'll do one of my exploded photos for reference.
I have also sprayed the inside of the air box. Just need to coat the outside now and give it a coat of PU lacquer to protect against petrol.
It's a bugger to fit! I think I have its just that I didn't get a clear photo of it when I stripped the carbs down.
In the basis that I have fitted it correctly (if I haven't it can easily be removed) I completely dry fitted the carbs and linkage to the manifold.
I made a new linkage rod as the old one was badly worn, all the springs are brand new.
Spring detail closeup
Everything will come back off and be properly lubricated before the final fit. Before that I'll do one of my exploded photos for reference.
I have also sprayed the inside of the air box. Just need to coat the outside now and give it a coat of PU lacquer to protect against petrol.
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I'd send you a pic of my choke cam spring, but it's so covered in grime, you'd be wasting time trying to photoshop the picture.
NRW 581W Sprint
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Thanks Mahesh!
This is what they looked like on the car
This is what they looked like on the car
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If that's what your engine and carbs looked like, compared to now, can you come and do mine
I've just returned from the car, after removing and stripping the radiator, but will put up a pic in the morning if it helps.
I've just returned from the car, after removing and stripping the radiator, but will put up a pic in the morning if it helps.
NRW 581W Sprint
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Doubt my pics help,
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That nicely illustrates what I was going to point out that one of James spring hooks isnt located properly...
James...3rd to last pic at about 8-9 o'clock on the throttle return...
Jonners
James...3rd to last pic at about 8-9 o'clock on the throttle return...
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Mahesh, you're a legend, massive thanks for that!
Thanks Jonners, is this the pic you're referring to?
If it is, I think I can see what you mean, I've had a check and it may just be due to the nut not being quite tight enough on the spindle yet allowing the spring to move sideways. I'm confident that I have it on correctly though, I'll do the final assembly and see how it fits.
No other pictures yet I'm afraid, hopefully tomorrow.
I have almost finished spraying up the air box, just need to put two coats of PU on the front cover. I'm not 100% with the colour, its a bit beige. Once it's done I'll do the usual pictures and see what you all think, nice and shiny though, probably better than when it left the factory!
I have stripped off inlet manifold ready for final reassembly, I will probably have to order some bolts from Namrick as I'm running a bit low on UNCs, the carbs will be stripped again(!) and I'll do another exploded photo in the daylight before final assembly, when I do this all the linkages will be greased up properly.
So if all goes to plan I should be done by Friday ready to re-assemble the bottom end on Saturday morning, oh no thinking about it, there's some pitting on my sump that I need to address first and I'll need some new bolts so maybe a mock up, clean everything, finish the sump and check I have enough nuts and bolts this weekend!!
I know I have everything for the head though!
Oh, and I need to clean the black paint off the carb mounting threads.
Thanks Jonners, is this the pic you're referring to?
If it is, I think I can see what you mean, I've had a check and it may just be due to the nut not being quite tight enough on the spindle yet allowing the spring to move sideways. I'm confident that I have it on correctly though, I'll do the final assembly and see how it fits.
No other pictures yet I'm afraid, hopefully tomorrow.
I have almost finished spraying up the air box, just need to put two coats of PU on the front cover. I'm not 100% with the colour, its a bit beige. Once it's done I'll do the usual pictures and see what you all think, nice and shiny though, probably better than when it left the factory!
I have stripped off inlet manifold ready for final reassembly, I will probably have to order some bolts from Namrick as I'm running a bit low on UNCs, the carbs will be stripped again(!) and I'll do another exploded photo in the daylight before final assembly, when I do this all the linkages will be greased up properly.
So if all goes to plan I should be done by Friday ready to re-assemble the bottom end on Saturday morning, oh no thinking about it, there's some pitting on my sump that I need to address first and I'll need some new bolts so maybe a mock up, clean everything, finish the sump and check I have enough nuts and bolts this weekend!!
I know I have everything for the head though!
Oh, and I need to clean the black paint off the carb mounting threads.
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Sensational work is all I can say!!! Belicimo!!!!:-)
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Thanks Russell, much appreciated!
So it's final assembly of the intake system, warning, this post contains naked pictures of carburettors!
I'll start with the air box, I need some honest opinions on the colour. It has had a skim of filler where the weld was and in a couple of places where there was some really bad pitting, 2 coats of UPol Acid Etch primer, 2 coats of UPol High5, flatted off, then 2 coats of grey primer followed by 4 coats of Ford Dove Grey. Left to cure for a couple of days then 2 coats of polyurethane lacquer to protect it all.
I'm really pleased with the way the crack came out, thanks to Steve (I think, sorry I'm rubbish with peoples names) who welded it up for me at the Restoration Show. I told you that you wouldn't be able to see it once I've finished!!
The rear had some bad pitting around the fuel hose brackets, that's now all gone.
I'm going to give this a week or two to allow the paint to fully harden before I mount it.
The anatomy of a pair of SU HS6 Carburettors!
Top down view
Realised that I hadn't got my piston lifting pins yet, so I'm waiting for them to arrive before I can proceed.
So it's final assembly of the intake system, warning, this post contains naked pictures of carburettors!
I'll start with the air box, I need some honest opinions on the colour. It has had a skim of filler where the weld was and in a couple of places where there was some really bad pitting, 2 coats of UPol Acid Etch primer, 2 coats of UPol High5, flatted off, then 2 coats of grey primer followed by 4 coats of Ford Dove Grey. Left to cure for a couple of days then 2 coats of polyurethane lacquer to protect it all.
I'm really pleased with the way the crack came out, thanks to Steve (I think, sorry I'm rubbish with peoples names) who welded it up for me at the Restoration Show. I told you that you wouldn't be able to see it once I've finished!!
The rear had some bad pitting around the fuel hose brackets, that's now all gone.
I'm going to give this a week or two to allow the paint to fully harden before I mount it.
The anatomy of a pair of SU HS6 Carburettors!
Top down view
Realised that I hadn't got my piston lifting pins yet, so I'm waiting for them to arrive before I can proceed.