Noises from engine after 12 year lay up

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Noises from engine after 12 year lay up

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Hi guys,

Hello again. been in and out of this club for over 22 years now. :D

Finally have a garage to work from instead of a lock up 15 miles away so I've started recommissioning the 'ol girl.

So after a lot of sheered bolts and corroded pipes, finally got her started after a service. I now have this intermittent clinking/clanking noise which seems to be coming from the front of the engine which wasn't there when I last used her. Could it be timing chain related? Don't really want to take her out until it is sorted.

Any ideas? I've put a video on Youtube hopefully you can see it?

https://youtube.com/shorts/0dMtLSN-HHE?feature=share

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Have you checked the viscous unit fan blades any movement side to side, also check the fan blade is not touching any pipe clips
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It does sound (on the video) to me like something catching intermittently.
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Well would you believe it! :D

There was a slight movement in viscous, well enough to make a slight knocking sound. So I disconnected the fan belt to check and happy days, the sounds have disappeared.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Probably the fan catching the alternator
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xvivalve wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:40 pm Probably the fan catching the alternator
I think it might have been. Felt it right through the car which was concerning. Will check the blades for any damage.

Anyway, stripped off, I take it I need a puller to get the old VC off the pulley? After putting the tolerance ring on the pulley, is it just a matter of using a socket and hammer and gently knocking the VC back into situ?

In two minds to maybe looking at electric fan?
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askop01 wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:21 am
xvivalve wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:40 pm Probably the fan catching the alternator
I think it might have been. Felt it right through the car which was concerning. Will check the blades for any damage.

Anyway, stripped off, I take it I need a puller to get the old VC off the pulley? After putting the tolerance ring on the pulley, is it just a matter of using a socket and hammer and gently knocking the VC back into situ?

In two minds to maybe looking at electric fan?
Bought a VC for a Spitfire last week, was £125 +VAT and carriage which was enough to give me a big lump in the throat. You can get a top spec leccy fan for that and have change. I used an old 3 legged puller and the viscous came right off easily on the Spit and a socket and a large hammer knocked the new one on without getting too violent!

Most of us delete the fan pulley and it's housing altogether and run a short belt just to the alternator when fitting an electric fan.

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Carledo wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:06 am Bought a VC for a Spitfire last week, was £125 +VAT and carriage which was enough to give me a big lump in the throat.
For reliability I switched the fan on my Spitfire to the earlier fixed and deleted the vc years ago. Trouble free cooling!
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yorkshire_spam wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:52 am For reliability I switched the fan on my Spitfire to the earlier fixed and deleted the vc years ago. Trouble free cooling!
A most sensible idea. Same can be done on a dolly I expect?
I have been thinking, and I reckon a manual fan saps naff all power when on the move, as the speed of the air through the fan will match what the fan would be doing, give or take. I suppose in low gears/high revs that won't be the case, but the amount of power will be diddly squat.
I do have an electric fan as it was the simplist way forward as I didn't have a fixed fan available. I used a spal fan that is very effective, and zero vibration, much better than the ebay cheapies. It produces hurricane-force airflow when it kicks in, needs over 20A initially, settles to a little over 10A once running. No point in messing about!
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Going electric is starting to sound more appealing.

I've seen Rimmers do a Revotek setup with fan and controller. Are they any good or is it better mix and matching fan and controller? Ideally a bolt on package would be great.
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askop01 wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:21 am
xvivalve wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:40 pm Probably the fan catching the alternator
I think it might have been. Felt it right through the car which was concerning. Will check the blades for any damage.

Anyway, stripped off, I take it I need a puller to get the old VC off the pulley? After putting the tolerance ring on the pulley, is it just a matter of using a socket and hammer and gently knocking the VC back into situ?

In two minds to maybe looking at electric fan?
Press it on rather than knock it; castings are relatively brittle!

Always use a new tolerance ring.

I have good used fan blades here if you need one; tenner plus postage (damage causes imbalance which can see the fan pulling the VC off the spindle...ask me how I know! :lol: )
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xvivalve wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:39 am
askop01 wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:21 am
xvivalve wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:40 pm Probably the fan catching the alternator
I think it might have been. Felt it right through the car which was concerning. Will check the blades for any damage.

Anyway, stripped off, I take it I need a puller to get the old VC off the pulley? After putting the tolerance ring on the pulley, is it just a matter of using a socket and hammer and gently knocking the VC back into situ?

In two minds to maybe looking at electric fan?
Press it on rather than knock it; castings are relatively brittle!

Always use a new tolerance ring.

I have good used fan blades here if you need one; tenner plus postage (damage causes imbalance which can see the fan pulling the VC off the spindle...ask me how I know! :lol: )
I bet that made a nice indentation in the bonnet or did it go through the rad :lol:

I'm in two minds whether to go electric. Just not sure what to go for?
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cliftyhanger wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:11 am
yorkshire_spam wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:52 am For reliability I switched the fan on my Spitfire to the earlier fixed and deleted the vc years ago. Trouble free cooling!
A most sensible idea. Same can be done on a dolly I expect?
I have been thinking, and I reckon a manual fan saps naff all power when on the move, as the speed of the air through the fan will match what the fan would be doing, give or take. I suppose in low gears/high revs that won't be the case, but the amount of power will be diddly squat.
I do have an electric fan as it was the simplist way forward as I didn't have a fixed fan available. I used a spal fan that is very effective, and zero vibration, much better than the ebay cheapies. It produces hurricane-force airflow when it kicks in, needs over 20A initially, settles to a little over 10A once running. No point in messing about!
The whole point of a viscous is that it wastes less power than a fixed fan (quieter too) Though I can understand why a lot of people seek to dispense with their viscous with the number that have penetrated expensive alloy radiators in the last few years. And the ever increasing cost of new viscous couplings (and worries over quality)

The quoted "waste power" back in the day (Kenlowe fan ads, not the most unbiased source!) from a fixed fan was 6-8%. And it IS wasted because the fan does sweet FA once the car is moving over 10mph. And ANY power wasted offends my engineering sensibilities. So an electric fan that only cuts in when needed, ie stationary in traffic, is far more efficient and also offers much finer temperature control. You just have to get used to the idea that the guage will wander all over the shop, rather than staying in one spot permanently once warmed up. Something that often gives Sprint owners, used to panicking at a few thou shift of the guage needle, heart failure!

You can get any sort of fan you want, a complete kit for novice electricians is more expensive but less hassle. But if you WANT a Revotec, cut out the middleman and deal with Revotec themselves!

Personally I buy my fan kits from Simon BBC on ebay (who also supply my Ei kits) at circa £50, a hose mounted sender from Stoney Racing, circa £25, a relay from wherever is cheap and wire it myself. And I ALWAYS build in a manual override switch in case the sender fails! Only ever happened once, but, of course, in the most complex and embarassing situation possible! Once bitten twice shy!

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I've decided to go electric.

I can always revert back to VC at a later date if need be but for now, I've gone direct to Revotek for their Sprint package. I'll wire in an override just make sure. Maybe I might get a couple of horses back too..........well Shetlands.
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