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Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:05 pm
by triumphdolomiteuk
I've just compared the new starter against the original, the teeth look about the same on both. It has a spacer fitted already. I'm baffled now.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:10 pm
by dollyman
To be making so much noise, can you see where it has been catching/grinding?
Tony.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:29 pm
by triumphdolomiteuk
Yes, just on the very end of the teeth, on the corners. It made a right racket whilst it was spinning, then the screech after it fired. Switched off straight away to avoid any more damage.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:47 pm
by soe8m
Automatic or manual? Have heard such noises before after people fitting high torques on automatics. The flexplate is not as rigid as a flywheel and can cause more noise.
Jeroen
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:19 pm
by dollyman
I wonder with it being the ends of the teeth wether to try it without the spacer? It sounds as though the teeth are only just touching the ring gear?
Tony.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:09 pm
by triumphdolomiteuk
It's a manual gearbox. I reckon what's happening is that after the engine has fired, the starter teeth are still in contact with the ring gear. I'm not sure how it could fit without the spacer, it locates the unit in position. I'm going to give the manufacturer a call in the morning and see if they can offer some more advice, they were very helpful last time.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:43 pm
by xvivalve
Sounds like you need a thicker spacer...
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:19 pm
by TrustNo1
IIRC I had to fit about six of the spacer shims before it stopped grinding.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:25 pm
by TrustNo1
I was talking about the thinner shims part number UKC1770.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:20 pm
by dollyman
I forgot about those type
Tony.
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:34 am
by tony g
I would add some washers to space it off. one at a time per bolt hole. If the noise goes away you'll know the space you need.
Tony
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:36 pm
by triumphdolomiteuk
Eurolec were very helpful indeed, the starter is definately a pre-engaged type, so that clears up that confusion. I'm going to measure the distance from the flywheel to the bellhousing and report back to them Also I'll give them the part number for the original one which came off so that they can identify it. If the new unit has a design flaw, they will modify it, but options on putting shims/washers in remain on the table. Thanks all

Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:32 pm
by xvivalve
Eurolec, in Brierley Hill, ie just up the road from here?
Any benefit in me taking a 1500 standard unit into them for comparison purposes?
Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:56 pm
by triumphdolomiteuk
Yes indeed, that would save me some crawling about with a tape measure....

Re: Starter motors: changing from pre-engaged to inertia type?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:31 pm
by xvivalve
It has always been said that the 1500 Dolomite starter is unique to the model, but I've never understood how/why it differs from the 1500 Spitfire and Midget starters; I suspect this exercise will identify why...
I'll try to get up there tomorrow or Wednesday...