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Re: Nothing to do with me,

#16 Post by SprintV8 »

Carledo wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:16 pm Stag wheels aren't an option without serious hub work, the Dolomite PCD is 95.25mm and the Stag is 114.3mm It can and HAS been done (by Dave (new to this on here) amongst others) but it aint quick or easy.

There are 3 or 4 OTHER MGF 15" rims that also fit, more or less and don't look as kitsch as yet MORE Minilite lookalikes.

I'm still searching for some really suitable alloys in either 6x14 or 6x15 with a 95.25 PCD and a 30+ ET that will go under all 4 stock arches without radiusing them.

I suspect the "hideous" Edelbrock filter conceals an Edelbrock 4 barrel carb, something I DON'T have a quarrel with and which is probably essential to keep the engine height down and the bonnet unaltered. Probably also good for a few extra horses if properly set up.

I agree the side exit exhaust is just plain laziness, sure getting the tailpipe through is a PITA in a very restricted space, but it's by no means impossible! If I wanted something like that, a pair of "lakes" sidepipes would be better, if you have a V8, the exhaust should be a twin pipe system to advertise the fact!

I agree the "reversing lights" look a bit odd, good idea but doesn't quite come off. The other thing is he's left the holes from the Wipac accessory reverse lights the car would have originally had under the tail lights. Should have left them there!

Interior choices are personal taste, so not going into that.

I agree it's much like a "first prototype" with some bodges and less than ideal bits still on it to get it on the road in a hurry. A good project for someone to do the last 10% to make it spot on. But anyone who has done this sort of thing (as I have) knows getting the last 10% right is the hardest and often the most expensive and time consuming bit!

Good luck to whoever buys it! It won't be me, I already have the Carledo stripped back to a shell for it's next incarnation, which will almost certainly include forced induction on a slightly oversquare 2 litre 4 cylinder! Either a Z20LET Vauxhall or a B204 Saab! It might be getting a long tail (as per Dolomite) for distinctiveness (and a bigger fuel tank) while i'm at it! But enough spoilers!

Steve
1) To be honest the Stag Wheel conversion was much easier than I though it would be.
Plus personally looks so good with polished alloys.

2) Again there’s a Holley 450 sitting under the filter.
Adapter came from Stag Racing service (Tony Hart)
A much cleaner and better set up than the original Strongbergs.
3). She made 147/148 BHP on the Dyno which isn’t a lot but good for a standard Stag engine on a Holley.
It wasn’t originally built for power just the V8 burble.


I may stick another bid on.

Should I win. The running gear will go back in the Sprint.
And this would get the Rotary power.

Carledo
CompBrake built me a large fuel baffled tank which sits in between the rear turrets.
They could build you one.
If you didn’t want to build one you self.
2011 Mini Clubman John Cooper Works. S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SsuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
565Hrs @ 07/12/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

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Re: Nothing to do with me,

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SprintV8 wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:36 am
Carledo wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:16 pm Stag wheels aren't an option without serious hub work, the Dolomite PCD is 95.25mm and the Stag is 114.3mm It can and HAS been done (by Dave (new to this on here) amongst others) but it aint quick or easy.

There are 3 or 4 OTHER MGF 15" rims that also fit, more or less and don't look as kitsch as yet MORE Minilite lookalikes.

I'm still searching for some really suitable alloys in either 6x14 or 6x15 with a 95.25 PCD and a 30+ ET that will go under all 4 stock arches without radiusing them.

I suspect the "hideous" Edelbrock filter conceals an Edelbrock 4 barrel carb, something I DON'T have a quarrel with and which is probably essential to keep the engine height down and the bonnet unaltered. Probably also good for a few extra horses if properly set up.

I agree the side exit exhaust is just plain laziness, sure getting the tailpipe through is a PITA in a very restricted space, but it's by no means impossible! If I wanted something like that, a pair of "lakes" sidepipes would be better, if you have a V8, the exhaust should be a twin pipe system to advertise the fact!

I agree the "reversing lights" look a bit odd, good idea but doesn't quite come off. The other thing is he's left the holes from the Wipac accessory reverse lights the car would have originally had under the tail lights. Should have left them there!

Interior choices are personal taste, so not going into that.

I agree it's much like a "first prototype" with some bodges and less than ideal bits still on it to get it on the road in a hurry. A good project for someone to do the last 10% to make it spot on. But anyone who has done this sort of thing (as I have) knows getting the last 10% right is the hardest and often the most expensive and time consuming bit!

Good luck to whoever buys it! It won't be me, I already have the Carledo stripped back to a shell for it's next incarnation, which will almost certainly include forced induction on a slightly oversquare 2 litre 4 cylinder! Either a Z20LET Vauxhall or a B204 Saab! It might be getting a long tail (as per Dolomite) for distinctiveness (and a bigger fuel tank) while i'm at it! But enough spoilers!

Steve
1) To be honest the Stag Wheel conversion was much easier than I though it would be.
Plus personally looks so good with polished alloys.

2) Again there’s a Holley 450 sitting under the filter.
Adapter came from Stag Racing service (Tony Hart)
A much cleaner and better set up than the original Strongbergs.
3). She made 147/148 BHP on the Dyno which isn’t a lot but good for a standard Stag engine on a Holley.
It wasn’t originally built for power just the V8 burble.


I may stick another bid on.

Should I win. The running gear will go back in the Sprint.
And this would get the Rotary power.

Carledo
CompBrake built me a large fuel baffled tank which sits in between the rear turrets.
They could build you one.
If you didn’t want to build one you self.
Neil (flying farmer) has got his Stag up to 245 BHP with high lift cams and EFI plus ported heads

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Re: Nothing to do with me,

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Neil (flying farmer) has got his Stag up to 245 BHP with high lift cams and EFI plus ported heads

Dave


Tony Hart I believe got those numbers from his racing Stag.
The weak point is the crankshaft.

My Rotary make’s nearly that in standard form without the supercharger.
2011 Mini Clubman John Cooper Works. S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SsuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
565Hrs @ 07/12/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

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Re: Nothing to do with me,

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SprintV8 wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:47 pm Neil (flying farmer) has got his Stag up to 245 BHP with high lift cams and EFI plus ported heads

Dave


Tony Hart I believe got those numbers from his racing Stag.
The weak point is the crankshaft.

My Rotary make’s nearly that in standard form without the supercharger.
Tony Hart didn't get near what Neil has got out of his Stag, hes well know for what he gets out of a Stag engine
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Re: Nothing to do with me,

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(Edit)
He didn’t break the crank,
But they have been described as a bit of bent welding wire.
It was running quad webbers.

Flying Farmer got to 253 with his Stag powered TR5.

Found this.
One of the most established Stag soupers is Tony Hart and his Hart Racing Services company (0208 426 1327). It’s wound down now but Tony still builds engines – indeed in his heyday raced a Stag kicking out 280bhp at 8000rpm! You can’t go that wild for road use and Tony admits that a standard engine is pretty restrictive without expensive mods. Headwork is limited – you can fi t TR7 inlet valves for a bit more poke but apart from that it’s a lot of wasted effort. Hart used to have Piper make hairier cams for his engines but the piston tops need to be machined away to stop the valves touching the crown. There’s not much scope for overboring of the unit, 40thou is advised to give an honest 3-litres or a tad more.

Hart says that today an average Stag unit kicks out between 115-120bhp (when new perhaps 135bhp on top fuels) but with his suggest mods can deliver around 170bhp. Electronic ignition is a virtual must. As standard the car was fed by a pair of twin 1.75in Stromberg carbs – fi tting larger 2in ones is diffi cult due to the manifolding he says but he can advise on re jetting the existing ones for a touch more go.

His original racing Stag has been sold.
But the new owner is rebuilding and hoping to race the old girl again.


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2011 Mini Clubman John Cooper Works. S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SsuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
565Hrs @ 07/12/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

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Project 13B Sprint now back on..
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Re: Nothing to do with me,

#21 Post by ian.stewart »

I remember watching that race, always was a bit of a wannabe, wanted to play with the big boys but never has the grunt, got to admire the effort, but when you are 2 laps down in a 12 lap race, makes you wonder, a SBC would have been a better choice for a racer, then start selling conversions....especially as you are running a business building go faster Stags, IIRC 2.5 straight 6 were often a preferred swap,
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Re: Nothing to do with me,

#22 Post by SprintV8 »

I believe but not sure the regs dictated the engines had to come from the same manufactures.
Or a heavier penalty was imposed.

Bearing in mine Tony HRS was in fact a independent trader he done really well.
He didn’t just raced Stags he also serviced and repaired them.
Better than any dealer at the time.


Wasn’t there a ThunderSaloon Honda running a massive V8 at the time.
2011 Mini Clubman John Cooper Works. S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SsuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
565Hrs @ 07/12/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

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Re: Nothing to do with me,

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SprintV8 wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:50 am I believe but not sure the regs dictated the engines had to come from the same manufactures.
Or a heavier penalty was imposed.

Bearing in mine Tony HRS was in fact a independent trader he done really well.
He didn’t just raced Stags he also serviced and repaired them.
Better than any dealer at the time.


Wasn’t there a ThunderSaloon Honda running a massive V8 at the time.
Rod Brierly? had a Cosworth YB powered Prelude in the 90s, quick car,
We had several imps followed by a VW variant on a March f5000 tub with an all alloy Can Am BigBlock, Happy days.
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Re: Nothing to do with me,

#24 Post by SprintV8 »

That’s the fella.

Always thought if was a V8 not a Cossie.
2011 Mini Clubman John Cooper Works. S Daily Driver.
1980 Dolomite Sprint with a touch of BLTS
Balanced Lightened and Tweaked 13B Rotary and SsuperCharged.
Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
565Hrs @ 07/12/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

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Project 13B Sprint now back on..
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