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Power steering.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:31 am
by dollyman
Hi all, Somebody in the club had power steering fitted to their Dolly by a company in Bolton? greater m/cr. Can anyone tell me who had it done or the name of the company that does it
Thanks,
Tony.
Okay........
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:51 am
by sprint95m
I think it was Steve Waldenberg and the information is contained within the Club magazines?
Apologies for the vagueness Tony, I remember reading about this but having no interest in fitting power steering
I paid very little heed.
Ian.
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am
by dollyman
Thanks Ian you were right, and have found it in the mag a company called Easysteer. Well remembered
Tony.
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:25 pm
by new to this
dollyman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am
Thanks Ian you were right, and have found it in the mag a company called Easysteer. Well remembered
Tony.
Tony
I rang them,as its on my wish list,there fit it to your car,its quite dear,but they wont sell you a kit for you to fit your self
Dave
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:06 pm
by dollyman
I have heard that Dave, it's not for me just yet (getting close) but for a friend, but for the life of me i could not remember who they were. These day's i would not be able to fit it myself anyway
The mind is willing, but my body is'nt.
Tony.
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:36 pm
by Carledo
new to this wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:25 pm
dollyman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am
Thanks Ian you were right, and have found it in the mag a company called Easysteer. Well remembered
Tony.
Tony
I rang them,as its on my wish list,there fit it to your car,its quite dear,but they wont sell you a kit for you to fit your self
Dave
Probably the same reason Weathershields would never sell a sunroof kit, too easy for the amateur to cock it up! If you were making an extremely safety related item like a steering component, would you enjoy offering it to Joe Public? Not sure I would!
I've given upon the PAS idea now as it's 2 points too far to give up the stock steering on the Dolomega, messing with that would drop me to 7 points and a BIVA and Q plate........ NO THANKS!
Steve
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:55 pm
by cleverusername
Carledo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:36 pm
new to this wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:25 pm
dollyman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am
Thanks Ian you were right, and have found it in the mag a company called Easysteer. Well remembered
Tony.
Tony
I rang them,as its on my wish list,there fit it to your car,its quite dear,but they wont sell you a kit for you to fit your self
Dave
Probably the same reason Weathershields would never sell a sunroof kit, too easy for the amateur to cock it up! If you were making an extremely safety related item like a steering component, would you enjoy offering it to Joe Public? Not sure I would!
I've given upon the PAS idea now as it's 2 points too far to give up the stock steering on the Dolomega, messing with that would drop me to 7 points and a BIVA and Q plate........ NO THANKS!
Steve
Frankly that is a stupid rule, I can understand engine changes and so on costing points but power steering should be acceptable because many classic owners are getting on and need power assistants to continue using their cars. It seems fair to apply a bit of common sense.
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:01 pm
by new to this
Carledo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:36 pm
new to this wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:25 pm
dollyman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am
Thanks Ian you were right, and have found it in the mag a company called Easysteer. Well remembered
Tony.
Tony
I rang them,as its on my wish list,there fit it to your car,its quite dear,but they wont sell you a kit for you to fit your self
Dave
Probably the same reason Weathershields would never sell a sunroof kit, too easy for the amateur to cock it up! If you were making an extremely safety related item like a steering component, would you enjoy offering it to Joe Public? Not sure I would!
I've given upon the PAS idea now as it's 2 points too far to give up the stock steering on the Dolomega, messing with that would drop me to 7 points and a BIVA and Q plate........ NO THANKS!
Steve
Steve
they sell kits for other cars (escorts),but not the Dolomite,may be they just dont sell enough of them to make it worth while
Dave
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:54 pm
by Carledo
cleverusername wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:55 pm
Frankly that is a stupid rule, I can understand engine changes and so on costing points but power steering should be acceptable because many classic owners are getting on and need power assistants to continue using their cars. It seems fair to apply a bit of common sense.
Well it is and it isn't! The whole 8 point rule thing for modified cars is riddled with stupid and unfair clauses - if you are an imaginitive builder!
Lately i've come to see THEIR point of view, they need to draw a line SOMEWHERE that defines originality, how much you can do without changing the fundamental nature of a car, turning it into something else entirely from how it rolled off a line. Compared to some European countries, the British version of that line in the sand is fairly lenient! There has been SOME thought put into it, for example, brakes are not on the list at all, so you can uprate your brakes without penalty!
Besides that, there is no point in disputing it, the 8 point rule is what we have to work within, they aren't going to change it to suit me or you so it's time shrug your shoulders at what SHOULD be and get on with what IS possible!
If the time ever comes when I NEED PAS (and honestly, if I can't drive without PAS, then I probably shouldn't be driving at all!) I'll just build an uprated Triumph 2000 which had a PAS option so the PAS wouldn't cost me any points! With the benefit of hindsight this is what I probably should have done in the first place, instead of trying to cram everything I wanted into the smaller Dolomite shell!
Steve
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:32 am
by dollyman
I'm afraid i will have to delve into the power steering route Steve
I dont need it to drive .... Only to get into tight parking spaces. I have ripped my rotator cuff ligaments in my left shoulder, and they wont repair them as i need a new shoulder
Hey ho but life goes on
Tony.
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:25 pm
by new to this
dollyman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:32 am
I'm afraid i will have to delve into the power steering route Steve
I dont need it to drive .... Only to get into tight parking spaces. I have ripped my rotator cuff ligaments in my left shoulder, and they wont repair them as i need a new shoulder
Hey ho but life goes on
Tony.
Tony
Is your car manual or auto,be nice to see pictures of when it done to see where they mount the motor
Dave
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:55 pm
by Carledo
dollyman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:32 am
I'm afraid i will have to delve into the power steering route Steve
I dont need it to drive .... Only to get into tight parking spaces. I have ripped my rotator cuff ligaments in my left shoulder, and they wont repair them as i need a new shoulder
Hey ho but life goes on
Tony.
My apologies Tony! My, missus has a torn rotator cuff also left side (but she's left handed) along with a couple of prolapsed discs and hypermobility. So I know something of what you are dealing with! Mrs C has an automatic Picasso, with PAS of course, but rarely drives more than a mile or two as the pain killers she needs to take continuously have an adverse affect on her reactions. The docs haven't recommended she not drive, but her own decision, backed by my observation, is not to go out of the village. And that's on a good day. If she needs to go further, I drive it.
Steve
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:40 pm
by dollyman
Carledo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:55 pm
dollyman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:32 am
I'm afraid i will have to delve into the power steering route Steve
I dont need it to drive .... Only to get into tight parking spaces. I have ripped my rotator cuff ligaments in my left shoulder, and they wont repair them as i need a new shoulder
Hey ho but life goes on
Tony.
My apologies Tony! My, missus has a torn rotator cuff also left side (but she's left handed) along with a couple of prolapsed discs and hypermobility. So I know something of what you are dealing with! Mrs C has an automatic Picasso, with PAS of course, but rarely drives more than a mile or two as the pain killers she needs to take continuously have an adverse affect on her reactions. The docs haven't recommended she not drive, but her own decision, backed by my observation, is not to go out of the village. And that's on a good day. If she needs to go further, I drive it.
Steve
No apologies needed Steve, I know what you meant
my mobility is rubbish as well, but i bet your good lady does not let it bother her to much
You just adapt and dont let things get you down. One thing i have done recently is buy a mobility scooter.... been putting it off for ages.....vanity, but its the best thing i have ever bought
It even folds up and fits in the boot of the Dolly for when i go to a show.
When i do get the power steering fitted i will of course post photos, but it will be a few weeks yet.
Tony.
Re: Okay........
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:01 pm
by alangraham
sprint95m wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:51 am
I think it was Steve Waldenberg and the information is contained within the Club magazines?
Apologies for the vagueness Tony, I remember reading about this but having no interest in fitting power steering
I paid very little heed.
Ian.
It is Steve's car, I drove it round the car park when he was up at Leeming Bar station. It's good to drive. It was very noticable when turning tight corners, the rest of the time it felt no different. A useful addition though expensive.
Re: Power steering.
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:41 pm
by Carledo
Most of these EPS systems, whether factory or aftermarket, feature a speed controlled limit of operation, usually around 15mph. So below that limit you have power assistance for parking and low speed manoevers, above it the car reverts to normal unpowered mode for better "feel" at speed!
It's a great idea and one reason i've never been satisfied with the steering on the Triumph 2000, of which I have owned a few, both powered and unpowered. The PAS fitted cars are vague and wandery at speed and the manual steered models are unbearably heavy at parking speeds, you can't win! A properly set up EPS beats this quandary and gives you the best of both worlds. The German manufacturer ZF produced a "normal" hydraulically powered steering system in the 80s that was also "progressive" in operation, it was fitted to some high end BMW and Volvos and the like. I've driven cars with this fitted and they were great, but it was quite complex and expensive. EPS does it easier and cheaper, so the ZF progressive went the way of the dinosaurs and even Beamers and Porshes use EPS nowadays!
Steve