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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:33 pm 
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I always assumed the Carledo would be with me till I no longer had need of cars and my estate would handle the subsequent sale.

Since I bought it on ebay for £200 in 2007, it has been a hoot, fun to build, if a little frustating at times, but an overwhelming pleasure to own and drive since I got it on the road in 2011 and utterly reliable. There have been very few times when firing up the motor did not bring a silly grin to my face, even if I was only popping down the village to buy fags or driving to work.

But by late 2021, with 10 years of daily driving in all weathers behind it, the body resto I did in 2012 was beginning to show its age and it's ability to pass an MOT in April 2022 without a fair bit of steelwork doing was doubtful. The Dolomega was on the road by then and had taken over daily driver dutiesso I consigned the Carledo to the back of the garage to await another mini resto and upgrades in performance, and maybe even the body conversion to "shooting brake" which I have long been plotting.

However, "life is what happens when you are busy making other plans" I bought the Grey 1500FWD in August of 2020 because I intended to use my large stock of Vauxhall spares and parts to build a "Carledo replica" into it's shell. This plan has now come to fruition, at least mechanically, but not by using all my spares, instead, for speed, I gutted the Carledo of all it's running gear and fitted it all to the 1500, reasoning that the engine was probably redundant and I could buy new and better stuff to re-do the Carledo in it's next incarnation.

Now I find that I need to be realistic. By the time I could finish the Carledo's reincarnation, i'll be over 70 and in possession of a fire breathing 200+bhp out-and-out race car for which I have no real use. And which is too harsh, noisy and uncomfortable for my disabled wife to travel in.

The final straw that broke the camel's back is that SWMBO is increasingly reliant on a wheelchair for mobility and last year purchased an electric one, which, though compact and foldaway, will fit in neither the Carledo OR the Dolomega. If I want her to accompany me ANYWHERE in MY car, I need something a tad bigger!

To which end I have agreed to buy THIS!

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It's not much more than a rolling shell at the moment and will need some welding (don't they all) but at least it has the capability of being a decent load lugger and comfortable with it, The current plan involves a Toyota/Lexus 2JZ-GE 3 litre 24v 6 cylinder DOHC which gives between 212 and 228bhp as stock and has the ability to take a turbo conversion for up to 500bhp (though i'll be more than happy with 350-400) along with it's matching 5 speed autobox and BMW sourced LSD for which kits are already available for the big 6 Triumphs.

All this work (and I can only realistically do one at a time) means that the Carledo has effectively reached the end of it's road in my care. It's been a big part of my life for a long time and I WILL miss it, but it's time for someone else to have the fun! It's far too good a shell to scrap (though it DOES need work) so I'll shortly be posting an ad for it as a "rolling shell" in the cars for sale section with about 50 pics featuring both good and bad bits.

If any of you fancy taking the project on, drop me a PM

Cheers, Steve

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:44 pm 
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The end of an era indeed!




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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:36 am 
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"life is what happens when you are busy making other plans" so true.
We never planned to own 2 classic cars, but when my better half lost the ability to drive a manual we looked to add the Dolomite rather than replace the Spitfire.
So far we manage with the Dolomite as her need of a wheelchair isn't everyday yet. When that happens another rethink will be in order.

At least it looks like you've got yourself an interesting project to replace the Carledo!!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:08 pm 
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It's not much more than a rolling shell at the moment and will need some welding (don't they all) but at least it has the capability of being a decent load lugger and comfortable with it, The current plan involves a Toyota/Lexus 2JZ-GE 3 litre 24v 6 cylinder DOHC which gives between 212 and 228bhp as stock and has the ability to take a turbo conversion for up to 500bhp (though i'll be more than happy with 350-400) along with it's matching 5 speed autobox and BMW sourced LSD for which kits are already available for the big 6 Triumphs.
How about a V6 engine?

There is a 2000 with a BMW straight six that I expect you know of?
I followed the build thread (RetroRides, something like that?) and didn’t like that it was necessary
to modify the cross member, may be I am being picky, I don’t know?
Anyhow I wonder if a V6 could give easier fitment and better weight distribution?

More to the point, are you going to have a build thread?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:26 pm 
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Nice looking forward to this one.

Have you seen Retro Powers project Utah Jaguar 2JZ 252bhp.

https://youtu.be/A-zXxjArbLQ

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 Post subject: Re: Hmm….
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:37 pm 
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It's not much more than a rolling shell at the moment and will need some welding (don't they all) but at least it has the capability of being a decent load lugger and comfortable with it, The current plan involves a Toyota/Lexus 2JZ-GE 3 litre 24v 6 cylinder DOHC which gives between 212 and 228bhp as stock and has the ability to take a turbo conversion for up to 500bhp (though i'll be more than happy with 350-400) along with it's matching 5 speed autobox and BMW sourced LSD for which kits are already available for the big 6 Triumphs.
How about a V6 engine?

There is a 2000 with a BMW straight six that I expect you know of?
I followed the build thread (RetroRides, something like that?) and didn’t like that it was necessary
to modify the cross member, may be I am being picky, I don’t know?
Anyhow I wonder if a V6 could give easier fitment and better weight distribution?

More to the point, are you going to have a build thread?


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I've run round Castle Combe with the Carledo against that beamer powered 2000. I won't say I left him for dead, but the Carledo was considerably quicker. I saw that car advertised recently for sale too.

Modifying the crossmember, or even fabricating an entirely new one isn't a problem, it's a single bolted on bar, not like the Dolomite subframe, or anywhere near as obstructive. Though i'd prefer to work with the original if possible.

The HOLE is big enough and wide enough to accomodate a variety of V8 engines (most folks upgrade of choice) there would certainly be room for a V6, but which one? The obvious choice is Vauxhall, but it's not all that powerful, under 200 bhp out of the box, it's a bit fragile and there's no turbo version to uprate with. Jag? forget it, not reliable enough. Plenty of Mitsubishi V6s about, but only 4wd gearboxes and the only turbo version is a rare JDM sports car, the 3000GT and then only the top spec model. Nissan offer a 3.5 litre V6 turbo, but ebay suggests i'd be paying around £5.5k for a usable engine and box.

We haven't got to the MAIN reason to pick a straight 6 though. that being it was the original choice and I love the sound of an inline 6 at full chat, quite as much as I love the offbeat rumble of a V8! A V6 just doesn't sound like anything much, even in a Turbo'd 370Z (I've driven one)

I originally fancied the Nissan RB20DET, the first incarnation of the Skyline engine and a lovely whippy short stroke motor, but prices have now hit the stratosphere as more and more RB 6s are blown up by drifters.

So Toyota/Lexus 2JZ seems a viable and affordable option, plus it's inherently strong enough to accept the turbo without major engine strengthening. And I can buy a complete running donor car for £1500!

There will be a build thread, though, if it's here, it will have to be here in general chat rather than in the resto section!

Steve

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:46 pm 
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Ken Wood's Kv6 sounds good in his Dolomite...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:16 pm 
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Ken Wood's Kv6 sounds good in his Dolomite...
There are folks who would eliminate the KV6 from their choice list purely because it contains the letter K!

I'm one of the few who actually like the flawed but clever (Typical BL) K series engine. But If I WAS to use a K, it would be the 1.8 Turbo 4 cylinder version, which is lighter and more powerful (and far less complicated) than the N/A KV6!

Ken's car sounds OK, maybe even good. But it's not distinctive, it could easily be a 4 banger! I like and want an engine that declares itself from 2 miles away! Also, I want a torque monster. Otherwise i'd just put a 2.0 4 cylinder YB Cosworth or Z20LET turbo Vaux motor in it and save weight, time and effort!

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Be worthwhile having a read of this Steve?

The steering rack location is a problem...if it was me I would be trying to keep it exactly where it is?

https://sideways-technologies.co.uk/for ... ent-139165



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:26 pm 
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Be worthwhile having a read of this Steve?

The steering rack location is a problem...if it was me I would be trying to keep it exactly where it is?

https://sideways-technologies.co.uk/for ... ent-139165

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That's quite an interesting read, though I have to privately wonder just what and how that specific car will be registered when complete. I also don't recognise the engine from a few partial shots, though it looks BMW in general style. Kudos to the guy for high quality complex steelwork though!

My own taste, as you well know, trends towards keeping within the letter of the 8 point rule. So, having lost both axle points at the rear end, i'm not losing anything further by modding the front "axle" aka the crossmember. Though reversing it and fitting the rack on the back side as i've considered,is probably a bridge too far, taking me into "steering" territory I can't afford to lose points on. I definitely don't fancy the work involved in cutting huge chunks out of an alloy sump.

Everything is still up for consideration at the moment anyway, I don't even have the shell home yet, to measure up. I've looked at pictures of the 2JZ engine and it has a front sump well, a near vertical stance and the exhaust is on the drivers side (this last factor, shared with the BMW and not desirable in my book of KISS)

I'm still vaguely tempted to use a powerful turbo'd 4 pot and keep the whole or most of the engine abaft the axle line for superior balance. There's a YB Cosworth turbo powered TR6 well known in club Triumph circles which is ridiculously quick! But doesn't meet my soundtrack or torque requirements. We'll just have to see whether easy trumps want!


Meantime the shell should be home within the next week or so and i'll be able to start measuring up.

Steve

Edit, he's using a 4.0 Jag motor! And I have to ask, WHY? Then it occurred to me that, on closer inspection, this is not an XK motor, or even a development of it. And being, probably, from the Ford era of Jags, it's gonna be a version of the Ford 6 cyl "Barra" engine, so beloved of Aussie tuners at the moment. Still a large and heavy unit though!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:00 pm 
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The Estate, (or should I say "in a state") will now be arriving on Saturday 25th. Let the games begin!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:18 pm 
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flip a coin....dolomite or 2000 mk1 estate....sorry but dolomite wins everyday :D i have not looked back ever since.ive had so much fun and enjoyment in the dolomite you would not believe.....should of bought a dolomite first time round and left the mk1 2000 estate well alone(expensive money pit bewarned)...but we live and learn

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:10 am 
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flip a coin....dolomite or 2000 mk1 estate....sorry but dolomite wins everyday :D i have not looked back ever since.ive had so much fun and enjoyment in the dolomite you would not believe.....should of bought a dolomite first time round and left the mk1 2000 estate well alone(expensive money pit bewarned)...but we live and learn

A few points! I'm fortunate that I don't quite have an either/or choice to make. My Dolomega Sprint is staying, only the Carledo (my OTHER Dolomite) is moving on.

Secondly the Estate offers something no Dolly (unfortunately) can provide, ie space for SWMBO's electric wheelchair.

Finally, i've owned a 2500S Estate, 2 mkII 2000 saloons and a MKI 2000 auto saloon. I'm aware that they are more challenging to repair steelwork wise and panels are expensive. At least a lot of panels are available, thanks to the efforts of Lloyd Reed.

It probably WILL be a time/money pit, but then the Dolomega cost me about £6k on top of it's £350 purchase price (doing ALL the work myself) I've no reason to suspect the Estate will be any cheaper, seeing as the base car is only £400.

I think it's worth it, to save me the ingnominy of turning up to car shows in SWMBO's Picasso (or alone)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:07 am 
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I quite like those Triumph 2500 estate’s.

Local police dog handler had 2500S for his German Alsatians.
Complete with sirens and blue lights. (Kojak Style).

Would have been early 80s.
Great choice.

They rot as much as a Stag as there’s quite a few shared panels.

Have you decided on its engine yet.

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Back in my possession 22 September 2019.
Rebuilding the Sprint time taken so far, 111Hrs@15/12/2020
212Hrs @31/12/2021
352 @ 28/11/2022
455Hrs @ 20/10/2023
530. @ 09/07/2024
This is time taken at the Sprint not necessary time worked.

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