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Russ.

A 123 distributor made it for me in Holland. Happy to pass on their details. Brilliant people.

Sent them the old Lucas which they used as a template.

R.

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Sprint, ;- DBL 532V

Hi

I have to add I disagree on the Ford front as well. 123 all the way for me.

They simply take the cars to new levels with reliability, performance, and through being Bluetooth being able to be adjustable immediately if needed.

The other benefit is you can disable the 123 dizzy so you also have added security. Unless you re-mobilize the 123 before starting it up, it’s difficult for anyone to nick your car.

My Escort is shortly also getting the 123 conversion.

I cannot say enough good words about the 123.

Richard.

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Sprint, ;- DBL 532V

Hi

I have to add I disagree on the Ford front as well. 123 all the way for me.

They simply take the cars to new levels with reliability, performance, and through being Bluetooth being able to be adjustable immediately if needed.

The other benefit is you can disable the 123 dizzy so you also have added security. Unless you re-mobilize the 123 before starting it up, it’s difficult for anyone to nick your car.

My Escort is shortly also getting the 123 conversion.

I cannot say enough good words about the 123.

Richard.


3D Mapping using Megajolt , Nodiz or whatver other brand brings the car to "real" new levels with reliability, performance etc.
Nodiz is as well connectable via Bluetooth...only advantages without the disadvantage of having a rotor, a cap and moving parts.

and with Pinto engined cars, with some (curved)intake manifolds used in spaceframed cars (like Formula Ford, Kitcar World, Locosts etc), there is limited access to the dizzy, so another advantage to go dizzy-less ignitionwise.

the 123 is good if you want something modern with easy installation or if your skills dont allow fabricating (which is obviously necessary when going 3D)...but Performancewise the 3D, Dizzyless Solution is, theoretically, THE only way to go.

if you want a simple, effective and economic "fit&forget" solution, not changing / adjusting points anymore: go for Accuspark
already such a simple device will tansform the car in terms of : starting, idle, torque...and usually you can already "hear" it due to a changed exhaust-sound...usually sounds more volumetric.

Rimmers tell me that they have not got a 123 Electronic Ignition unit. The only one they found was RKC638EL part number which they said was for a 1300 or 1500 Triumph. I have put a question into 123 Ignition but does anyone know what the right part is for a Sprint?

Cheers

Terry

Further update, 123 Ignition have just replied that they do not have a unit for my car!

Help anyone?

Terry

Terry.

There is not a 123 off the shelf to suit a Sprint. You either get an adaptor fabricated or use a 123 supplier that can fabricate the adaptor for you.

Richard.

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Sprint, ;- DBL 532V

When I got the Spitfire tuned recently (old-school rolling road tuner) the guy doing it rated the 123 in terms of tune-ability, but had recently experienced issues with warranty fixes on 123 units he'd supplied to his customers, so now recommends that if a customer wants a 123, they source it so he doesn't get stuck in the middle if it fails.

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some further words against 123 (sorry guys):

my new car (Triumph MK2 2500S with PI Head and PI Cam) was formerly fitted with the latest model of 123.....the car never run right, even after months of testing different ignition curves and settings, we could not found a satisfying result. fitted old dizzy with accuspark-module...the car runs better than ever.

my mates car (Triumph MK1 2000, now fitted with a 2500 engine, with increased compression and PI-cam): he recently aquired this car....the former owner had a 123 dizzy ftted (the older model) and the car feels really "poor" in power output.
same as me: my mate spent hours for testing differtn ignition settings until he fitted a classic-dizzy with accuspark-module and the car is now running with good power output, equal to mine.

Does anyone have the design for the 123 adapter, so I could get one made?
Thanks.

It's a bit like my grandmother did overhaul my engine and never got it running right. It's understanding and reading and checking. The pre set types with the 16 curves do start at tdc when crancking and when the revs are above 500 iirc it swaps to the desired advance btdc at idle. When setting those types statically at idle timing, at idle it can be 20+ degrees and when revving it adds also ofcourse. One of the most common faults and you have to use the correct installation manual because these 123's are not all the same. And check with the stroboscope if the desired idle is correct with the engine running to be sure you did fit it correctly. The 16 curves to choose from are known data and those are std Lucas curves so are the same as the std. dizzies.

You can't blame products on installers faults or lack of understanding. It seems to be popular choosing internet quotes that suits certain idea's. You have it wrong here so can be others on other forums also.

Jeroen

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i´m talking here of about 3 experienced persons in classic-car spannering....and i dont think that all 3 can be so wrong?
so, all those 3 persons, spannering since 35y (each) on classic cars have no idea what they do, never done it right...so thats why they experienced, independantly from each other, that the 123 did not gave them satisfying results in terms of power-output?

i have installed several dizzy-less ignition systems from Megajolt....and i remain with my opnion: 123 is expensive and not as flexible as it should be. thats why i say: go dizzyless or remain with Accuspark (or a similar tehnology).

Yes. My daily job is sorting out problems with classics and half of the problems are caused by experienced experts. Some experts send their customers to me. Also some modern car dealers when computer says yes but the car says no. Experts and 35 years experience has no value for me. Some experts do things wrong for over 35 years. Programming a curve is nothing more than programming a curve. When programming it exactly as the original dizzy to have it running like original is for some already problematic you say. Let alone setting it optimal for that particular engine. My 2500 with 123 runs perfectly. 1.9ms spark and all even. When you understand engines and ignitions it isn't that hard.

Jeroen

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Does anyone have the design for the 123 adapter, so I could get one made?
Thanks.

I don't suppose there has been any movement on the 123 dizzy adaptor has there?

Manufacturing / design details so we can get them made etc

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Steve M

68 Triumph Vitesse convertible
79 Dolly Sprint

I think Richard has done the donkeywork, collaborating with one 123 supplier to make a model specific 123 dizzy for the Sprint. so no adaptation/conversion parts needed any more. Just swap the original drive gear to the new 123. Think he also paid the development costs so the next ones MIGHT be a bit cheaper! Thanks Richard!

Steve

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