The Triumph Dolomite Club - Discussion Forum

Carledo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:37 pm I do the job properly, remove the LSV and replace the nuts and washers on the studs. then use a non-Sprint rear flexi hanger, flexi hose and rear section of front to rear brake pipe. That way what is there looks pukka even to someone who knows Dolomites.

My tester, whom I am admittedly on very good terms with, has never once even commented. But his only concerns are no leaks and good numbers on the rollers, he knows i'm a bit fanatical about brakes!

Since I know you have some sort of TJ style vented disc conversion, I would simply point them out to any smart assed tester who wants to condemn your lack of an LSV. Fit TJs (or reasonable facsimile) and the need for an LSV evaporates!

Steve

matt of the vivas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:11 am

Carledo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:37 pm
Since I know you have some sort of TJ style vented disc conversion, I would simply point them out to any smart assed tester who wants to condemn your lack of an LSV. Fit TJs (or reasonable facsimile) and the need for an LSV evaporates!

Steve

Surely doing the job properly would be repairing the valve and refitting it?
If a car was brought back to me with the valve removed after I'd failed it for being seized or leaking then I'd fail it again, as above "removed when it's fitted as standard equipment".
It's there for a very good reason on a Sprint and shouldn't be bypassed.
Bad advice imo.

Carledo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:02 pm I would draw your attention to again to this part of my post!

matt of the vivas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:11 am

Carledo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:37 pm
Since I know you have some sort of TJ style vented disc conversion, I would simply point them out to any smart assed tester who wants to condemn your lack of an LSV. Fit TJs (or reasonable facsimile) and the need for an LSV evaporates!

Steve

Surely doing the job properly would be repairing the valve and refitting it?
If a car was brought back to me with the valve removed after I'd failed it for being seized or leaking then I'd fail it again, as above "removed when it's fitted as standard equipment".
It's there for a very good reason on a Sprint and shouldn't be bypassed.
Bad advice imo.

The post itself was aimed at Dave in particular, not people (Sprint owners) in general.

I'm more than aware WHY a standard Sprint has an LSV fitted! I could make a good case for "doing it properly" being replacing the LSV with something that actually WORKS for more than 5 mins before seizing up!

I have a large and growing collection of Sprint LSVs, all of which were removed seized solid. I can't recall EVER seeing one working as advertised.

I feel perfectly entitled to do away with the troublesome LSV because ALL my cars have the Trackerjack conversion that obviates the need for the LSV. As I'm sure you (and the vast majority of readers here) know well enough.

I ran the Carledo on stock Sprint brakes sans LSV when first built and found out the hard way that it's a bad idea! So MY first move was to seek an LSV. When I couldn't find a working one for love or money, I fitted a Cavalier pressure limiter which fixed the problem. Then I went to TJs and the problem went away.

Now I've been a tester myself, I can understand your point. If someone presented a stock Sprint to me with the LSV seized, I would fail it. If they re-presented it with the LSV removed or bypassed, I would fail it again! But, if they presented or re-presented it with TJs and no LSV, i'd pass it happily!

Were I a "normal" tester and not a Dolomite nut, I'd behave the same way, Except if the car had been redesigned without the LSV but looked standard otherwise, I probably wouldn't know any better! It's quite easy to spot something present but not working, much harder to realise something is missing when you don't KNOW it should be there and it's absence is carefully concealed! Which is why I do it so carefully, it's not necessarily to bend the rules, it just saves a long discussion, possibly even involving the ministry.

Rules are rules, but a degree of common sense is also required to make a good tester.

Steve

Carledo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:02 pm I would draw your attention to again to this part of my post!

matt of the vivas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:11 am

Carledo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:37 pm
Since I know you have some sort of TJ style vented disc conversion, I would simply point them out to any smart assed tester who wants to condemn your lack of an LSV. Fit TJs (or reasonable facsimile) and the need for an LSV evaporates!

Steve

Surely doing the job properly would be repairing the valve and refitting it?
If a car was brought back to me with the valve removed after I'd failed it for being seized or leaking then I'd fail it again, as above "removed when it's fitted as standard equipment".
It's there for a very good reason on a Sprint and shouldn't be bypassed.
Bad advice imo.

The post itself was aimed at Dave in particular, not people (Sprint owners) in general.

I'm more than aware WHY a standard Sprint has an LSV fitted! I could make a good case for "doing it properly" being replacing the LSV with something that actually WORKS for more than 5 mins before seizing up!

I have a large and growing collection of Sprint LSVs, all of which were removed seized solid. I can't recall EVER seeing one working as advertised.

I feel perfectly entitled to do away with the troublesome LSV because ALL my cars have the Trackerjack conversion that obviates the need for the LSV. As I'm sure you (and the vast majority of readers here) know well enough.

I ran the Carledo on stock Sprint brakes sans LSV when first built and found out the hard way that it's a bad idea! So MY first move was to seek an LSV. When I couldn't find a working one for love or money, I fitted a Cavalier pressure limiter which fixed the problem. Then I went to TJs and the problem went away.

Now I've been a tester myself, I can understand your point. If someone presented a stock Sprint to me with the LSV seized, I would fail it. If they re-presented it with the LSV removed or bypassed, I would fail it again! But, if they presented or re-presented it with TJs and no LSV, i'd pass it happily!

Were I a "normal" tester and not a Dolomite nut, I'd behave the same way, Except if the car had been redesigned without the LSV but looked standard otherwise, I probably wouldn't know any better! It's quite easy to spot something present but not working, much harder to realise something is missing when you don't KNOW it should be there and it's absence is carefully concealed! Which is why I do it so carefully, it's not necessarily to bend the rules, it just saves a long discussion, possibly even involving the ministry.

Rules are rules, but a degree of common sense is also required to make a good tester.

Steve

new to this wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:58 pm One of the main reasons for asking was my original LSV is rusty, i dont think i need a LSV on my setup, (tracker kit up front and rear disc) but belt and braces etc im putting a newer adjustable LSV i the engine bay, ( for the rears) but for originality i thought i mite be able to leave the original LSV for looks

Thanks for your help Dave