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Michael_Wiesner

New here - my Triumph 1300 "TC"

#1 Post by Michael_Wiesner »

Hello everyone. You seem like a friendly bunch so I'd thought I'd become more active on the forum. I'll try to post some pictures, too. If it works, you'll notice that my car is a left hand drive. That's because I live in Belgium. I believe the car was manufactured in a plant near Mechelen (Malines), some 5 miles from where I used to live when I still occassionally drove a 1974 MGBGT. In the summer of 2008 it became apparent that the sills were seriously rotten. A local MG-workshop quoted some very costly price for the repairs. I was unemployed at the time (recently graduated too) and had just spent some weeks chasing electrical problems in and around the car. The secondhand car market being what it is in Belgium (a sorry experience time and time again) it stayed with me for some time, until at some point I got an e-mail from someone who suggested a part exchange. Said he had a 1970 Triumph 1300 TC project. I did not know the model (please don't dislike me now, keep on reading) and the car was mostly dismanteled, but when I sat down behind that cute and very pristine dashboard, when I stared at the hubcaps and when I noticed the T-logos on the pedals. Well...
This is what it looked like then:
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The seller had already done the necessary welding. The engine looked well underway, too:
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Altough, as you can see, its TC engine has gone, leaving only the badges.

So in my fourth year of classic car ownership, I foolishly decided that I could handle this project. The owner transported it to me at his expense as part of the deal.
Some work did get done: I redid all the brakes, which I discovered to have vanished at some point. New calipers came from Powertrack, the rest was easy to find.
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Then, with a little help from my friends, I tackled the suspension:
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Untangling the rust, dirt and dynitrol of all those years took me blood, sweat, swearing, and tears but eventually the new ones got fitted:
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And then it happened. My girlfriend got another job, she needed the daily driver (Peugeot 106 XSI 1.6) and while I travel to work by bike, I wanted my own runabout. This became my new favourite heap of problems:
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A 1983 Matra Murena 2.2 threeseater. As an 80's French car, it needed even more care and attention than the Pug.
The Triumph remained in storage. Some months ago I decided to start the project anew. I felt bad about having the car just standing there and even worse when I thought about selling it as an unfinished project. It felt like defeat.
So i fitted new steering rack gaiters, assorted odds and ends, and a vital task I had neglected, i.e. to find out how complete it was, and what pieces I missed.
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This is me, congratulating myself on breaking off the choke cable, another job for the todo list. Git.
Holidays came, the Triumph got neglected once again and then suddenly the lady who rents me the garage told me she was moving out, the new tenants would probably need the garage, she was very sorry and could I move it please?

Not a problem in itself. Takes some rearranging though. The Matra, which now has a leaking sunroof, is out on the streets, will probably go up for sale. I try to salvage my pride by fixing the engine so it can drive itself onto the transporter. This weekend I fitted a new distributor with BBC Red Module because I found there was no spark at the plug, and suspected the dizzy cap. No half measures then, away with the points distributor, in with the new. Dropped a battery in, fired up the car and...
I saw there was a spark on the spark plugs. But I stopped when i realised that not only the engine didn't fire, but the Stromberg was leaking badly.
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The faint red circle shows where I suspect it leaks. My Haynes shows there should be a cover there, but this STromberg 150 doesn't seem to have a one. Is that the problems, or is the carb simply flooding when I try to start?

Congratulations and thanks if you made it this far. Might be nice to know that also in Belgium some of these cars survive, even if they are very rare. Still more rare are good classic car clubs. They mostly revolve around dining and driving here. Most members don't even do their own maintenance. The Matra club is much better, but they don't know much about these cars, obviously.
One final note: I work for a law enforcement agency and some time ago I asked for a colleague to look up the VIN-number in our database. Seems like this car was on the road for some 20 years, and then there is no more trace until I got in 2008. The previous owner had gotten it off a former colleague, which started the restoration when he inherited the car. Apparently it was hidden in garage at that point. I don't know what was wrong with it. When I look at it now, I think everything was wrong with it ;o)
It's just passed its 40th birthday and I'll be damned if I don't get to drive it at least once!
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Re: New here - my Triumph 1300 "TC"

#2 Post by covcourier »

Welcome to the forum. There are many people on here who I'm sure will be along shortly with some advice.
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#3 Post by Pauldaf44 »

Nice car. Im not sure whether theres supposed to be a cover there or not so I'll have a look on Bruce tomorrow morning when its no longer dark. Shame about the missing twin carbs though.

Is it trying to fire. As you say it has a good spark. If it was flooding it would at least cough unless you had no compression on any cylinders. As mine would happily fire up and drive on 2 that seems unlikely
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#4 Post by NickMorgan »

Welcome to the forum Michael. It is interesting to know that there is a TC in Belgium. I guess that it wouldn't be too difficult to fit a TC engine. Is it just the carburettors that have been changed, or is it the whole engine? If you post the engine number I am sure that someone on here will be able to tell you if it is a TC engine or not.
Good luck with the restoration. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to restore my TC so ended up selling it. I did enjoy driving it around a local farm, though, on occasions. They are great little cars and I hope I will have another one day.
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#5 Post by Nathan Mwk 627G »

Welcome to the forum, nice to see a 1300 surviving overseas, the car looks very nice indeed!!

The engine looks alto different, firstly the battery is on a different side (Same side as Dolomite-1500fwd) and is that the water overflow on the bulkhead?? the other thing i cant see is the servo, this was a nice TC upgrade that triumph fitted and is unique to the car, it looks to me like you have a 1500fwd engine fitted to the car instead of the 1300 power unit, you wont feel much of a power difference as the gearbox has the same ratio as the 1300fwd, both cars have a top speed of 85mph!!

Nice car all the same and cant wait to see it finished!!

Here some inspiration for you....

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#6 Post by Michael_Wiesner »

Pauldaf44 wrote:Nice car. Im not sure whether theres supposed to be a cover there or not so I'll have a look on Bruce tomorrow morning when its no longer dark. Shame about the missing twin carbs though.
Is it trying to fire. As you say it has a good spark. If it was flooding it would at least cough unless you had no compression on any cylinders. As mine would happily fire up and drive on 2 that seems unlikely
I suggested naming the car "Humphrey" because it is not so fast but far more sophisticated and civilised than the other cars. If it ever get it running and all else sorted, I'll look into a new inlet manifold and twin carbs. For now, I stopped cranking the car when I discovered the puddle of fuel. Besides, I haven't checked the timing since I replaced the distributor. Since i didn't turn the engine, I don't suppose it'll be off by much but it's on the list anyway.

Good idea about the numbers, I'll have to check that out tomorrow. Since the car came with a lot of spare parts including a windscreen and two doors, I sort of assumed they had simply taken apart some other poor Triumph 1300. I figured that explained the lack of a servo too as the papers definitely list the car as a TC, and the car has TC badges, too. The battery should be on the other side, I know. I can just about see where it should have fitted, because one of the clamps it still there. However, there seems to be less room to manoeuvre on that side, with the air intake and all, so I'm leaving it where it is for now.

There's at least two TC's left in Belgium. Mine's one, and some other bloke had one up for sale some months ago. Roadworthy and looking very nice indeed!
As I mentioned, Triumph had a plant in Mechelen between 1958 and 1975. I imagine they must've built some fwd's there, but now they're quite rare. Most Triumphs here are probably Spitfires that have been imported from the States.

That's one damn fine looking car there, Nathan. It'll take me years to get there.
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#7 Post by alolympic »

Welcome to the Forum. A great introduction piece, look forward to hearing more of your progress.
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#8 Post by Michael_Wiesner »

About the engine number: might be RF19981HE?
I found it etched in an edge below the nr.4 cylinder spark plug.

Anyone happen to have a look at a Stromberg 150 CD te confirm that those small holes should've been covered? Any idea as to why they're there in the first place? :)
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#9 Post by 1300dolly »

If its the bit im thinking of on the carb there should be a small cover plate with a screw holding it on, not sure why or what it does though, if i get a chance I will look at some of my stock to confirm.
RF is the engine number for a 1300TC.

Oh and great car, I used to have a 1300 in white, the new owner decided to spray it black :roll:
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#10 Post by Purplebargeken »

Hello and welcome. I have a 1300 in Dolphin Grey. I used to have the same one as Justyn but I didn't spray it black.
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#11 Post by mbellinger »

Welcome. Wonderful and increasingly rare cars 1300TC's. Good luck with your restoration - it will be worth it.
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#12 Post by Spunkymonkey »

Hello Michael and welcome!

The part you've circled on the carb should have a small plate held over it with a screw but that missing won't make it leak. The bigger hole (on the left in the photo) is a breather for the float chamber and all the plate does is stop muck getting in and blocking it.

If fuel is coming out of there when you crank it over then it means that the needle valve in the carburettor isn't shutting - probably as simple as a bit of dirt or corrosion stuck in it but it could be that the float has a hole as well. Both are pretty easy to do. You can do them with the carb on the engine but it's a LOT easier to remove the carb first.

With the needle valve not shutting off it will flood the engine very quickly, which could easily explain why it's not firing for you. The plus side is that the leak proves the fuel pump is working ;)

One word of warning - when you take the bottom off the carb you will almost certainly need to replace the O ring seals on the jet tube. I'm not sure if the originals are easily available but if you get a cheap selection box of O rings (about £3 over here) then you'll find something to fit. If you don't replace them then you'll probably swap your existing leak for one at the bottom!
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#13 Post by Michael_Wiesner »

Thanks mate. That's a very clear explanation. Revising the carbs now top of my to-do list. For the most parts I don't really worry about spares availability, since Ebay and most stores happily abroad. Too bad that there appear to be some items unique to the car.
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#14 Post by Jordan1500TC »

Love the shape of these realy nice car love it :) good work :)
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