A diesel Dolomite..........

[trackerjack]

Lets see now we could change the engine to a Focus turbo diesel, then transplant the floorpan of the Focus so that it all lines up and we get FWD and to finish off fit the bodyshell and the wheels too.

If you want a smoking cancerous diesel just buy one ready made and make other road users eyes water as the try to follow.

Sprint add V8 chevy and gas conversion..................sorted.

[JPB]

65mpg? No matter how hard I drive the Smart I'm buggered if I can get it to drink that much Diesel. I'm completely turned on to the way in which these small capacity turbo diesels deliver their performance; hills not recognised, urge always available for overtaking in gaps that would have turned the Dolomite's seats a darker shade of brown and twice the range from 7 gallons compared to that available from the Dolly's 12 gallons of real man's fuel. And that from a high-geared (1850) auto that would crack 40mpg without too much effort when on a long, steady run.
I reckon that a VW 1.9TDI 105bhp engine would make a Dolomite not only very lively indeed - assuming that the 3.27:1 diff could be raised closer to 3.1:1 - but also that the relative lightness of a Dolly, compared to the (plenty quick enough) Jetta with DSG gearbox that I sometimes use (about 1600Kg I reckon), would make for an incredibly frugal device. Dad averages 65mpg with the Mexican 'dub and even I haven't managed to get that below 52.

Someone has to build a Diesel Dolly, if only to extinguish the bonfire of the Luddite purists.
Hmm, seems to me that the way to do this would involve buying a good runner for ease of getting it home and in order to have some components that could confidently be resold to offset the cost.

..FWD....

Oh please. That really would be silly!

[Jon Tilson]

Did they do a V5 diesle Jod? I thought it was only petrol....

I'll get me coat...

(coulnt resist it)

and I agree with TJ.....and I've got a 105 TDI Golf....the mpg is the ONLY good thing about it.

Jonners

[sprint95m]

Okay, okay I am just toying with the idea.

One of my friends is something of an expert on things diesel although he currently working to fit a 2 litre V6 petrol c/w type 9 'box
into a Cortina mark 3. He reckons Mondeo 1800 TD is the way to go (as Roy suggested) but reckons finding a suitable type 9
bellhousing will be difficult. When I told him that I have already got the bellhousing he almost fell over ! (I could see him thinking
how useful it could be to him and the realisation that he had let slip the true value.)


The 1800TD produces 89 bhp @ 4500 rpm and 131 lb.ft @ 2250 rpm.
This compares favourably with a Dolomite 1850's 91bhp @ 5200 rpm and 105 lb.ft @ 3200 rpm.
Ebay sellers give different claims for fuel economy ranging from 50 to 60 mpg.

[Jon Tilson]

Isnt that engine also peugeot derived?

Sierras had them too...thats the place to get the box if you can find one. That and the 505 are probably the last n-s rwd applications of that engine.
Any recomendations of a nice V8 diesel for the stag or shall I just break an X308?


Jonners

[JPB]

The Diesels in the Sierra and Granada were indeed Peugeot engines, as also used in the Mahindra Jeep among other things. They came in 2.1 and 2.3 litre versions and are very much in the old fashioned (simple to fix) vein. Later Ford Diesels aren't related to those though, which is a good thing as the 1.8 turbos found in Mondeos and such things now are much more fuel efficient, though being common rail you'd need some turps substitute mixed in with your veggie oil and don't risk used stuff as the chances are that, no matter how carefully the oil has been processed, there'll be enough bits of animal fat in there to wreck many a modern engine.
The PSA XUD 1.9 is found in North-South fitment in FSO Polonez and Caro Diesels which use a Fiat gearbox. I suspect that Fords are easier to find as donors.

I'd still go for something VAG or PAS for a Dolly transplant, they look more in keeping once you remove the pointless bits of plastic that shroud them. Or you could do what the guy featured in the current Practical Classics has done with his Austin 10; fit a Daihatsu 3 cylinder TD motor. The exhaust note of an IL3 is quite addictive, especially if you're fond of Fordson Super Dextas and boats.

[Carledo]

I have seen mid 80's Chevrolet Caprice's on sale in the uk for very little money and carrying around a v8 diesel of IIRC 350 cubic inches capacity (roughly 5750cc) would that meet your Stag requirements? It's a bit of a bruiser mind and very heavy but dead simple, 1 wire operation! I must admit to a sneaking, unwanted desire to fit a diesel to a Dolly though why is a good question and "because I can" may not be a good enough answer! I actually broke an FSO a couple of years ago, sold the pug diesel engine to a Pug owner but no-one wanted the gearbox so after about 6 months I weighed it in, isn't hindsight wonderful! This would be my power unit of choice, simple, rugged, plentiful parts and in non turbo form, almost indestructible and very economical at 65+ mpg. Don't personally see the need for turbos if you wanna go fast buy a petrol! Steve

[sprint95m]

Isnt that engine also peugeot derived?

Sierras had them too...thats the place to get the box if you can find one.

As John has pointed out, it is not Peugeot derived but a Ford design.
However I do know where I could probably acquire (several) Peugeot engines mated to LT77 gearboxes.

Jon, I already have a gearbox and, more importantly, I have the elusive Sierra 1800TD bellhousing too.
The 1800TD is a relatively small physical size.



If one of they Jaguar engines will fit into a Stag then I dare say it would fit a Dolomite too.

[TomSprint]

Has anybody considered the BMW 318tds engine and box?

They're apparantly a 4cyl version of the six used in the 325/525tds,omega and P38 Range Rover.

Indirect injection, 1665cc, 90hp and the right way around but supposed to be fairly gutless in an E36.

I'm sure a BM E36 is significantly heavier than a dolly, so maybe it wouldn't be too bad?

My personal favorite is the VAG 1.9 TDI 110. I ran a 98 passat with this lump for 11 years. It always was in the 50's in terms of MPG and had good power spread with the VNT turbo. It was replaced with a 2011 1.6TDI 105bhp golf, no comparison. The golfs nearly as economical.......

Tom

[beefertoo]

The PSA XUD 1.9 is found in North-South fitment in FSO Polonez and Caro Diesels which use a Fiat gearbox. I suspect that Fords are easier to find as donors.



also fitted to the leyland/daf van, allbeit in non turbo form and correspondingly snail like....(with the lt77 box as well)


craig

[JPB]

Why can't VW make their minds up? The 2007 105bhp engines are the 1.9, now, just to confuse the issue, you tell me there's a 1.6 with the same output too. Can it match the older 1.9 for torque though? Delivery of that is where the biggest advantage lies with a Diesel, forget chasing the horses.

Remember this: Blue motion is something that falls out of a passing aircraft.

[Jon Tilson]

I suppose I have developed a sort of grudging respect for the VW 1.9 PD engine. I have 2 now...100 bhp in the 53 plate fabia my daughter runs...and 105 in the Mk 5 Golf.

I think it comes in all numbers from 90 to 130...I suppose its down to how they map the fuel and how hard the blower puffs....

Does it go N-S in the audi A4 or Audi 80? Never looked under the bonnet but the old audi way was n-s.

I'm liking the 1248 90 bhp effort in our corse more too....apart from the stupid sump plug that I had to dremel and cold chisel off yesterday and for which the dealer wanted 6 quid as a replacement!

Must be made of gold....

Jonners

[SprintMWU773V]

The VW 1.6 tdi is a 1.6 and shares little in common with the 1.9 or 2.0 tdi's. BMW diesels are now all 2 litre units but with varyable power. Mine is for example badged as a 116d but is a 2 litre 120bhp whereas my wife's 3 series shares the same engine but is 163bhp so is badged as a 320d. It makes some sense but does confuse people. The new 1.6 VW engine is vastly superior than the older 1.9 in term of torque, refinement and efficiency but with the standard fit 5 speed box it is not as sprightly as some other competitors, 105bhp is also a little tight these days too though diesel is all about torque not power.

[TomSprint]

The latest 1.6TDI is pretty much just smaller 2.0. It repalces the 1.9 105 and has the same torque peak figure. It's a 16v unlike the 8v 1.9. In real world terms it's a fine car for town work and is surprisingly nippy if not outright pokey and there's nothing over 3krpm, but that's no real harm. The non blue motion model is in the lowest road tax band over here (now €160) so that's a bonus......It's also the most refined 4cyl oil burner I've sat behind, or maybe the insulation has got better.

Jonners is right about the PD's, they're probably the pinacle of the 4 cyl TDI's, a 130 passat certainly feels faster than my current daily 150bhp bmw 320d, and has loads more low down torque but they are thirstier than the older 110....
The 97-05 Passats and most of the Audis (A4,5,6,8) are still N/S

I know the 1.9 105's were always regarded as being "at least" 105bhp and generally closer to 115 so I'm sure they'd have the edge on the new 1.6. I got a quick spin in a new 170bhp scirocco tdi, now thats a different ball agme all together....



Tom

[ponchoj]

I'd love a diesel mx5,

If you're not joking then I'm going to need therapy to get over that suggestion.