Maggie the Toledo - rattles or just character?

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Maggie the Toledo - rattles or just character?

#1 Post by Essexwriter »

I've been enjoying my Toledo for 5 weeks now. In that time I've used her pretty much as a daily driver, and have taken her from Essex up to Nottingham, Kettering, Grantham, Duxford and - of course - from her previous home in High Wycombe to here. Many miles, negligible trouble - she's been really reliable and a joy to drive.

I've done a little work on her, but have some niggles/queries that I'm hoping more experienced forum members can help me with.

Work done so far

- Adjusting the idle speed, which solved my problem of stalling at junctions (thanks to all who gave advice on this)
- Wiring in a pair of 12v sockets for iPod and portable speaker (again, thanks for help here)
- Cutting out some rusty patches around the passenger headlight, treating with anti-rust, filling with fibreglass and smoothing with filler, then priming and painting (I'm hoping to take a closer look at the front wings and ideally sort them properly when the weather improves)
- Installing rear seat belts. Smooth job apart from one captive nut with a slightly dinged thread at the tip. Filing the bolt tip by minute amounts until it caught the thread lower down and brought the rest along with it worked nicely - saved having to cut a new thread.
- Ordering a new weatherstrip and fixings for the passenger side window (bit missing on the current one)
- Ordering a new driver's side seatbelt stalk to sort the seatbelt warning light problem (loose connection somewhere in the current stalk)
- Giving the front seats and all door vinyls a deep clean - came up nicely
- Buying a 99p aerial key off eBay so I didn't have to use a spanner :D
- Fixing the temperature gauge wire when it worked loose

Plans for when I have a few quid spare/more time

- New carpet in the same or similar brown (bit threadbare at the moment)
- Wiring in the two front spotlights
- Fixing a couple of chips in the windscreen, or even sourcing a new windscreen
- Finding one of those FM converters for the radio, assuming I can find one at sensible prices (the old ones seem to be more popular in the US). Or failing that, finding a way to boost the FM reception on the iPod nano, or sourcing an FM/MW radio for the 70s (though I quite like the idea of keeping LW).

Stuff that's perplexing me right now

- She has a rattle that sounds like it's coming from the dash when she's idling, though I'm pretty sure it isn't. I think it must be the engine, but I can't hear the noise coming from the engine itself.
- The steering judders and seems to rattle somewhere down the base of the column, particularly if I shift into 3rd or 4th at slightly lower revs than I should. Could this be the lower bush? (Have yet to investigate, but it seems to be getting more frequent and noticeable).
- The steering is slightly off 'true'. To go dead ahead, you need to have the wheel about 15 degrees anticlockwise from straight. This also means indicators are more likely to turn off automatically when you turn one way, rather than the other (trying to remember which way - will have to remind myself tomorrow)

Any help / thoughts you might have on the rattling and steering issues will be much appreciated. In return I'll take pics when I fix them :)

Cheers,

Ben
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#2 Post by knockdolian »

My steering rattled when I got my car. you could wiggle the steering wheel. I was told it was a bottom bush but found it was the top clamp which was loose. If this is your problem you need to extract the bolts as they are sheer bolts.

With the steering, mark 12 o'clock of the steering wheel with a dab of tipex when driving straight Then stop make sure the tipex mark is at 12 o'clock. Take the steering wheel off and put it straight.

Well thats how I did it :D
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knockdolian wrote:My steering rattled when I got my car. you could wiggle the steering wheel. I was told it was a bottom bush but found it was the top clamp which was loose. If this is your problem you need to extract the bolts as they are sheer bolts.
Thanks for that idea. I'll check both next weekend and see whether I can find the source of the trouble.
knockdolian wrote:With the steering, mark 12 o'clock of the steering wheel with a dab of tipex when driving straight Then stop make sure the tipex mark is at 12 o'clock. Take the steering wheel off and put it straight.

Well thats how I did it :D
I had a go at doing that yesterday, but only got as far as removing the retaining bolts on the steering wheel cover. Realised I didn't have the right sized socket or spanner for the retaining nut, and my adjustable was too hefty to fit either side of it. Another trip to the tool shop next weekend, I think.

Hopefully that'll solve all my problems apart from the mysterious dashboard rattle (unless by some happy coincidence that's coming from the steering column too :D )

Cheers,

Ben
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Ben

Do you know where Frating is?

To undo the steering wheel is a 2 man Job, I have the right socket here if you would like to borrow it :D or if you would like some help as you need to have someone in the back seat pulling the steering wheel while someone bangs it with a block of wood and a hammer.

If the steering wheel breaks I have a spare :D

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DazasDolly wrote:Ben

Do you know where Frating is?

To undo the steering wheel is a 2 man Job, I have the right socket here if you would like to borrow it :D or if you would like some help as you need to have someone in the back seat pulling the steering wheel while someone bangs it with a block of wood and a hammer.

If the steering wheel breaks I have a spare :D

Darren
Darren, you're a gent. Yes, I know Frating - my office is down in the Hythe so I sometimes take a lunchtime drive through Frating, or at the weekend if I take the boys down to the coast. My wife used to meet up with people who are into spinning wheels etc in your church hall.

If you're willing to help, I'd definitely take you up on the offer. I noticed a few small cracks in the wheel when I took off the cover, so the backup of a spare would give us some peace of mind :D

Let me know.

Cheers,

Ben
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#6 Post by Nobleox_Toledo »

Ben, there was a kind of metally sounding rattle I used to hear when idling, I hunted for the source of this noise over the course of numerous weekends.

I found it eventually it was one of the chrome caps on the front bumper, it was a little loose and as the car naturally vibrated the 'cap' rattled and made the noise :roll:

Might not be the same thing your getting now....

James
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#7 Post by Nobleox_Toledo »

....Oh and the steering I always accepted as being one of Maggie's characteristics....guessed she was bolted together on a Friday afternoon after the lads at BL got back from their lunch in the pub.
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Essexwriter wrote:
DazasDolly wrote:Ben

Do you know where Frating is?

To undo the steering wheel is a 2 man Job, I have the right socket here if you would like to borrow it :D or if you would like some help as you need to have someone in the back seat pulling the steering wheel while someone bangs it with a block of wood and a hammer.

If the steering wheel breaks I have a spare :D

Darren
Darren, you're a gent. Yes, I know Frating - my office is down in the Hythe so I sometimes take a lunchtime drive through Frating, or at the weekend if I take the boys down to the coast. My wife used to meet up with people who are into spinning wheels etc in your church hall.

If you're willing to help, I'd definitely take you up on the offer. I noticed a few small cracks in the wheel when I took off the cover, so the backup of a spare would give us some peace of mind :D

Let me know.

Cheers,

Ben
Ben

I will pm you my details, I should be about all weekend next week 12/13th. I'm also here from just after 2pm everyday. With the steering wheel's the 3 I have/had have all had some small cracks at the back and have been fine banging them off. But if you would like as a spare you more than welcome to take it.

All the best

Darren
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1968 Triumph Vitesse Saloon 2L MK2 Not for the faint hearted, mega restoration
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Nobleox_Toledo wrote:Ben, there was a kind of metally sounding rattle I used to hear when idling, I hunted for the source of this noise over the course of numerous weekends.

I found it eventually it was one of the chrome caps on the front bumper, it was a little loose and as the car naturally vibrated the 'cap' rattled and made the noise :roll:

Might not be the same thing your getting now....

James
I did have the bumper off when I was patching up the bodywork round the headlight, so its quite possible I've not tightened it up enough. I'll stick my ear next to it when I start her up in the morning.

By the way, I noticed that she does *not* like premium fuel (or Tesco Momentum at least). I've tried her on it twice, and she gets a bit noisy on it. Too intoxicating perhaps? :lol:
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Nobleox_Toledo wrote:....Oh and the steering I always accepted as being one of Maggie's characteristics....guessed she was bolted together on a Friday afternoon after the lads at BL got back from their lunch in the pub.
I'm getting used to it now. Of course, if Darren and I straighten it out I'll be driving everywhere at weird angles :lol:
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DazasDolly wrote: Ben

I will pm you my details, I should be about all weekend next week 12/13th. I'm also here from just after 2pm everyday. With the steering wheel's the 3 I have/had have all had some small cracks at the back and have been fine banging them off. But if you would like as a spare you more than welcome to take it.

All the best

Darren
Cheers Darren. Much appreciated.
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Essexwriter wrote:
DazasDolly wrote: Ben

I will pm you my details, I should be about all weekend next week 12/13th. I'm also here from just after 2pm everyday. With the steering wheel's the 3 I have/had have all had some small cracks at the back and have been fine banging them off. But if you would like as a spare you more than welcome to take it.

All the best

Darren
Cheers Darren. Much appreciated.
No Problem Mate, that's what we are here for.

All the best

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I have always used a two legged puller to get the steering wheel off,similar to this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-Profes ... 41682ed1b5
comes in handy for quite a few things :)
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mahony wrote:I have always used a two legged puller to get the steering wheel similar to this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-Profes ... 41682ed1b5
comes in handy for quite a few things :)
Good idea! (Though I'm scratching my head to think of what else you could use it for...)
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mahony wrote:I have always used a two legged puller to get the steering wheel similar to this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-Profes ... 41682ed1b5
comes in handy for quite a few things :)
Hmmmm just put that on my watch list Mahony. Could of done with that yesterday took me an hour to get the hub of my wife's modern.

Would that work on Dolly rear hubs?

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