Remanufactured FAM1718s

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#1 Post by Graham.Fountain »

I'd like add to the excellent existing threads on the bottom steering couplings (but mistakenly started a new thread) regarding the safety of the remanufactured FAM1718s that are, apparently, coming in from China. The one shown below was on the car for less than 3 months before it failed, disastrously.

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Two of the rubber inserts had gone 8 days before it finally failed – the mushy bit in the steering (as the rubbers comply) had turned to pure slack, so driving it became a little interesting. I wonder if the (supposedly) old Chinese curse is become "may you drive an interesting car". I know I shouldn't have kept using it, but the TR7 Sprint's battery had gone flat, I couldn't get in to jump start it, and my charger had died. So, as it was only 7 miles to work, mostly through town, I thought I'd be okay till Sunday when I could fix it. Also, I weren't expecting this!

So if you've got one of these remanufactured ones, and the rubbers go, I suggest replacing it immediately, rather than wait. I'd also recommend the UJ couplings as incomparably better than the rubber insert type: I've been bitching for ages about how much worse than the TR7 Sprint's steering it was, but having put one of these in, it's now at least as good.

I had already got a replacement, a couple of days before it fell apart, with the intent of replacing it: one of the pressed UJ ones from Paddock's, as I couldn't find a forged one on the net at short notice. It was a little tricky to fit, being a centimetre longer. As a result, the method in the manual didn't work: the coupling won't slide far enough up the fitted intermediate shaft, with the clamping bolt out, to go on the rack's spigot. So I had to pull the intermediate shaft off the bottom of the steering column, pull the column up into the car, and put that back together last. Also the top nylock nut on this new coupling caught on the nearby panel seam, which has a cut-out, but not quite where needed. So that wanted a bit of work with a half-round file.

The splines do match the intermediate shaft and steering rack spigot and the holes do seem to be fully circular when clamped up correctly. Also, there was no need to shorten the intermediate shaft, done this way - though there's hardly any gap between the bottom of the bush in the bulkhead and the top of the intermediate shaft, even with the shaft as far into the bottom coupling as it will go (limited by the clamping bolt and the flat on the shaft). Maybe those tolerances that aren't supposed to be cumulative (but are), may mean some cars would need the shaft shortening. But I got away wi'it. Increasing the length of the flat on the shaft, at its top end, might also work. But the worry would be the bottom end of the shaft touching the UJ's cross-piece.

My biggest concern with this pressed coupling is that it's really quite slack on the intermediate shaft and the steering rack spigot before the clamping bolts are done up. So if either bolt was to give or work loose, it mightn't take much for it to slip on the splines. So I think I'll get a new set of bolts, nylock nuts, and washers - had to do the job with what I had to hand, i.e. the old nuts and bolts (only 1 washer for three bolts though - Fecking garages). Also, if anyone can post the details for a supplier of the forged UJs, I think I still might get one and put it in when I replace the upper column - the switches still really need replacing.

Anyway, at least I can go back to wearing those beige trousers again, if the wife can get the stains out.
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I got a forged one off fleabay. Good as gold......

Search for escort gp4 stuff, all sorts of places can supply them.
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£24 plus carriage......

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Thanks Ian, that's what I wanted. Don't want to go driving without steering again.

It must run in our fammily, 'cos I remember I was reading the owners manual when I'd just bought the first of my (too many) TR7s, and was giggling about the bit where it said don't turn the ignition off while driving, the steering will lock. "Who the hell would be stupid enough to do that" I exclaimed. My bro. replied, "me." Daft bugger.
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It just goes to show that it is worth paying that bit extra for a decent quality part. If they're so bad then you would probably be better with a used original part in working order. Back in 2006, I had to replace both parts of the coupling on my Dolomite 1300 for the MoT. I bought the parts from T.D. Fitchett which cost a total of just over £50 for both. It might be worth trying them for the parts.
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Well, if it were just down to cost that would be true. But just because you pay more doesn't guarantee you get a better thing. As Alan Sheppard said of his Mercury: "every part of this ship was built by the low bidder". So it's about spec. not price. And if it's sold as fit for a purpose, then it should be. If you can show that Fitchets are getting them from a better source than, e.g. ******** (and that shouldn't be too hard), that's more important than the actual cost in the supply chain.
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Sorry, dinner came there and I posted instead of hibernating the computer by mistake: By the bit about Fitchets "getting them from a better source", I meant supplying a product of a higher spec., and the "shouldn't be too hard" was, of course, simple prejudice on my part, and unconnected with any bad experiences with any specific supplier, no matter how many such bad experiences there may have been or how few a number of supplier or supliers was involved. Also, all characters are purely fictional and any resemblance...

There's also the issue of the design of this component, which I hadn't got around to. To put all the cyclic steering effort through two small cap screws (what are they, 1/4 or 5/16ths?), with twice the leverage on them than their diameter, at least once the rubber falls out, is clearly a recipe for fatigue failurer. Hence, the UJ couplings, which are indubitably more robust (even the pressed ones), are of a far better spec. I also suspect that no none original manufact. has the full, correct spec., anyway.

Then again, hindsight is always perfect, init. Then again, again, that's what we said after the square windows fell out of the Comet Mk Is (punched rivet holes in a highly, cyclicly stressed skin! What were the prodution engineers at DH thinking of?).

So, [and this is where I was going before I screwed it all up – mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxim culpa] as far as paying more is concerned, that's okay; but pay more for what is clearly higher spec, not for the supplier's name.
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Paying more doesn't guarantee a better product, it could just mean that you are being ripped off. I spent ages trying to find droplinks for my other car that weren't made of cheese and instantly failed. Even the more expensive ones went in a matter of months, in the end it was just luck that got decent ones. Some batches just seem better than others.

The only way to guarantee quality is to get recommendations and use suppliers you trust not to cut corners. The club would always be my first point of call for any parts for that reason.

BTW do the windscreen rubbers on Chris Witors site fit the old style chrome blades on a 1500HL? I could do with some new ones.
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cleverusername wrote:BTW do the windscreen rubbers on Chris Witors site fit the old style chrome blades on a 1500HL? I could do with some new ones.
T2000s use the same wiper blades and refills as Dolomites.

Please note, over time blades lose their efficiency (springs weaken) so that even with new rubbers they won't perform as well as new replacements.
Also, the quality of replacements is variable. I am currently using Bosch blades and these are okay.
I note on Chris's website he has a choice of two rubbers......the dearer ones will be superior (he will have tested them).





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And if it's sold as fit for a purpose, then it should be. If you can show that Fitchets are getting them from a better source than, e.g. ******** (and that shouldn't be too hard), that's more important than the actual cost in the supply chain.
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Complaints should be directed to the supplier in the first instance. It is unfair to slag someone off without giving them the chance to rectify the problem.
(If nobody complains how can they know of a problem?) They will have bought the parts in good faith believing them to be fit for purpose.


If a firm has supplied an inferior part or parts previously it is unfair to presume that every part they now sell is likewise inferior.



We have to be realistic. Dolomite business is a tiny proportion of the classic car scene. £24 for a British made forged steering UJ from a reputable supplier is excellent value.

Please stick to recommendations of quality products.



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