1850 gremlins

[tony g]

If you mean the slot has rags in there its not the gasket leaking its the o rings on the brass cage for the pump. Lower o ring stops oil from coming up into pump

Tony

[Toledo Man]

You need to investiage the source of the oil leak before charging in and removing the head. It would be worth rebuilding the water pump first. The water pump guide in the Dolly Wiki was written by Jonners himself and contains some valuable advice which will be of help.

[Triumph1300]

The oil leak is from the head/block joint, the water pump slot is dry

[RJF_70]

As Bruce said the leak is from the head, the rags were packed in under the inlet manifold to absorb as much of the leak as possible. No leakage from water pump.
Rich

[tony g]

Ok. Have you retorqued the head?. Might be worth a go..

Tony

[RJF_70]

Yeah the head was torqued down ok Tony, Lots of sealant around so has been a problem for a while by the look of things.
Rich

[Toledo Man]

It is looking like the head has to come off. Something's definitely not right if there's that much sealant...

[AlanH]

I seem to remeber when I talked to the guy that the head had recently been off.

[Jon Tilson]

Re the pump....when its in place it will rotate by hand a little because of the skew gear backlash and a little
give in the timing gear but it shouldn't be more than 1 cm at the outer edge of the impellor....or about 5 mins on
a clock face.
There should be no funny wear pattern on the teeth. It sounds to me as if you have a worn jackshaft sadly.
It could all be down to too high a pressure in the oil pump. Is there any sign the oil pump has been changed? A few
recent ones have had too high a pressure on the relief valve spring. This could account for your excess oil oil under the head as the oil way there goes though the jackshaft up into the head.

You need to pull off the timing cover and look for play in the jackshaft. If the jackshaft gear is damaged it will need replacing - sadly not cheap.


As this is an 8V engine and there are still relatively plentiful 8V TR7 engines around I would seriously think about
looking for one and swapping...

If your jackshaft bearing is shot the block is sadly beyond economic repair on an 8V

Jonners

[RJF_70]

OK, so head is off and revealed some things to be concerned about. Firstly the corner of the timing chest had been broken off most probably when head was done before (first pic) cause of oil leak maybe as heavily siliconed around timing chest. Picture 1

Also the pistons have had a touch on all four, must be the reason why head was done before then not as previous owner had said about the valve seats, what would cause this damage to all four pistons?
Pic 2

Third pic is just an overall picture, apart from the timing chest, bores look good, valves look good but will leak test them with petrol to confirm.

Any input greatly appreciated. And also need a timing chest cover
Cheers Rich

[Triumph1300]

Right, update, and photos to follow

The head is off, and there is evidence of poor standard work in the past

All 4 pistons have 2 witness marks on them, as if the valves have touched

The head gasket had been coated in silicon

The top corner of the timing chest has been broken off, and glued back in place with silicon, advice may be required on changing one of these.

The studs had been replaced, but not greased, a degree of applied swearing was required to remove them.

I don't know if the valves are sealing, but will check with meths.

Another quiet Monday night in Coventry.

Edit beaten to it!

[Toledo Man]

The head certainly needed to come off. I hope the valves aren't leaking. Worst case scenario is new valve guides so it could be worse. It would be worth having the valves ground in which should help seal them better. I'd definitely source a replacement timing chain cover. It would also be an idea to check the engine timing.

Keep us posted with your progress.

[Edin Dundee]

IF the head can be skimmed the pros can fit new valve guides and of course they check the valves and re-machine the seats as necessary.
Don't try any of this yourself.
The question is with the state of the head.....

[Toledo Man]

Fitting valve guides and skimming the head has to be left to the professionals. I'm sure Bruce will know of somebody who can do the work.

[RJF_70]

Don't panic guys, don't intend to try any headwork myself. Got to check valves first and go from there, almost certain the piston marks were the reason the head was off before, but what would have marked all 4 pistons? Camchain maybe?
Cheers Rich