Steering U/J ?
Steering U/J ?
The steering U/J at the bottom of the column on the toledo needs replacing due to play in it, just wanted to know if its the same joint through all the ranges as ive got some spare dolomite/sprint ones.
1973 yellow Sprint L reg
1979 1500 SE T reg
1979 1500 SE V reg
1980 vermillion 1500hl W reg
1975 green 1500tc auto P reg
1971 wedgewood blue 2000 auto mk2 J reg
1979 Sandglow 1500HL auto V reg
1972 valencia blue Toledo 2 dr K reg
1973 Brown Toledo 2 dr L reg
1973 Green Toledo 2 dr L reg
1977 white Datsun 100a f2 S reg
1983 White Toyota Tercel 4x4
1987 Brown Toyota Tercel 4x4
1988 Blue Toyota Tercel 4x4
1999 Toyota Corolla vvti est
2005 Ford ranger thunder XLT
because one triumph just isnt enough
1979 1500 SE T reg
1979 1500 SE V reg
1980 vermillion 1500hl W reg
1975 green 1500tc auto P reg
1971 wedgewood blue 2000 auto mk2 J reg
1979 Sandglow 1500HL auto V reg
1972 valencia blue Toledo 2 dr K reg
1973 Brown Toledo 2 dr L reg
1973 Green Toledo 2 dr L reg
1977 white Datsun 100a f2 S reg
1983 White Toyota Tercel 4x4
1987 Brown Toyota Tercel 4x4
1988 Blue Toyota Tercel 4x4
1999 Toyota Corolla vvti est
2005 Ford ranger thunder XLT
because one triumph just isnt enough
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Carledo
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Re: Steering U/J ?
Yes they are all the same, in fact it is the same joint on the Herald/Spitfire range too!
Steve
Steve
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'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine (The Dolomega)
'72 Triumph 1500FWD in Slate Grey, Now with RWD and Carledo powertrain!
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Jon Tilson
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Re: Steering U/J ?
Flexible coupling yes...u/j is not the same as a Spit/Herald one for sure...Spit shaft is a lot longer.
Toledo and dolomite intermediate shafts are all the same...
Jonners
Toledo and dolomite intermediate shafts are all the same...
Jonners
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Carledo
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Re: Steering U/J ?
Jon Tilson wrote:Flexible coupling yes...u/j is not the same as a Spit/Herald one for sure...Spit shaft is a lot longer.
Toledo and dolomite intermediate shafts are all the same...
Jonners
Well he did say the one at the BOTTOM of the column Jonners!
Steve
'73 2 door Toledo with Vauxhall Carlton 2.0 8v engine (The Carledo)
'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine (The Dolomega)
'72 Triumph 1500FWD in Slate Grey, Now with RWD and Carledo powertrain!
Maverick Triumph, Servicing, Repairs, Electrical, Recomissioning, MOT prep, Trackerjack brake fitting service.
Apprentice served Triumph Specialist for 50 years. PM for more info or quotes.
'78 Sprint Auto with Vauxhall Omega 2.2 16v engine (The Dolomega)
'72 Triumph 1500FWD in Slate Grey, Now with RWD and Carledo powertrain!
Maverick Triumph, Servicing, Repairs, Electrical, Recomissioning, MOT prep, Trackerjack brake fitting service.
Apprentice served Triumph Specialist for 50 years. PM for more info or quotes.
Re: Steering U/J ?
Thanks for the replies,
Well today we had a good look by taking them both off to find out its the upper U/J that's gone the one that fits on the bottom of the column, we have a choice of two good S/H ones to fit, one is original type and the other looks like an after market one.
steve
Well today we had a good look by taking them both off to find out its the upper U/J that's gone the one that fits on the bottom of the column, we have a choice of two good S/H ones to fit, one is original type and the other looks like an after market one.
steve
1973 yellow Sprint L reg
1979 1500 SE T reg
1979 1500 SE V reg
1980 vermillion 1500hl W reg
1975 green 1500tc auto P reg
1971 wedgewood blue 2000 auto mk2 J reg
1979 Sandglow 1500HL auto V reg
1972 valencia blue Toledo 2 dr K reg
1973 Brown Toledo 2 dr L reg
1973 Green Toledo 2 dr L reg
1977 white Datsun 100a f2 S reg
1983 White Toyota Tercel 4x4
1987 Brown Toyota Tercel 4x4
1988 Blue Toyota Tercel 4x4
1999 Toyota Corolla vvti est
2005 Ford ranger thunder XLT
because one triumph just isnt enough
1979 1500 SE T reg
1979 1500 SE V reg
1980 vermillion 1500hl W reg
1975 green 1500tc auto P reg
1971 wedgewood blue 2000 auto mk2 J reg
1979 Sandglow 1500HL auto V reg
1972 valencia blue Toledo 2 dr K reg
1973 Brown Toledo 2 dr L reg
1973 Green Toledo 2 dr L reg
1977 white Datsun 100a f2 S reg
1983 White Toyota Tercel 4x4
1987 Brown Toyota Tercel 4x4
1988 Blue Toyota Tercel 4x4
1999 Toyota Corolla vvti est
2005 Ford ranger thunder XLT
because one triumph just isnt enough
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Karlos
Re: Steering U/J ?
How come the silly bottom joint is called a UJ by so many of us, surely the pedants among us must be bursting blood vessels!!!
The "bottom" one is not a UJ, it is an inline joint that is used to connect the intermediate shaft with the rack, it also is there to absorb minor vibrations and shock.
"Flexible coupling" is a better term ,especially when the rubber bushes are failing - it then becomes very flexible. The top one is definitely a UJ
The "bottom" one is not a UJ, it is an inline joint that is used to connect the intermediate shaft with the rack, it also is there to absorb minor vibrations and shock.
"Flexible coupling" is a better term ,especially when the rubber bushes are failing - it then becomes very flexible. The top one is definitely a UJ
Re: Steering U/J ?
To avoid all confusion we should call the top one 'the UJ', and the bottom one 'the liability' 
Steve
Steve
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Jon Tilson
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Re: Steering U/J ?
Lol Steve of all people should know the difference between a u/j and a flexible coupling....
And I'm not sure about it being a "liability". If your top u/ seizes in one plane I reckon that's more of a liability...
In short order it will make mincement of the column lower bush and the flexible coupling too....
Jonners
And I'm not sure about it being a "liability". If your top u/ seizes in one plane I reckon that's more of a liability...
In short order it will make mincement of the column lower bush and the flexible coupling too....
Jonners
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matt of the vivas
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Re: Steering U/J ?
If we want to be really, really pedantic - Jonners standard 
- then the lower one is a Layrub Coupling.
- then the lower one is a Layrub Coupling.-
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Re: Steering U/J ?
Its a very old name, goes back to the days of Laycock Transmissions and Clutches...
Re: Steering U/J ?
I have fitted the non original U/J and fitted the poly bushes on the steering rack and completely transformed the steering, it make you realise how vague the steering had become.
1973 yellow Sprint L reg
1979 1500 SE T reg
1979 1500 SE V reg
1980 vermillion 1500hl W reg
1975 green 1500tc auto P reg
1971 wedgewood blue 2000 auto mk2 J reg
1979 Sandglow 1500HL auto V reg
1972 valencia blue Toledo 2 dr K reg
1973 Brown Toledo 2 dr L reg
1973 Green Toledo 2 dr L reg
1977 white Datsun 100a f2 S reg
1983 White Toyota Tercel 4x4
1987 Brown Toyota Tercel 4x4
1988 Blue Toyota Tercel 4x4
1999 Toyota Corolla vvti est
2005 Ford ranger thunder XLT
because one triumph just isnt enough
1979 1500 SE T reg
1979 1500 SE V reg
1980 vermillion 1500hl W reg
1975 green 1500tc auto P reg
1971 wedgewood blue 2000 auto mk2 J reg
1979 Sandglow 1500HL auto V reg
1972 valencia blue Toledo 2 dr K reg
1973 Brown Toledo 2 dr L reg
1973 Green Toledo 2 dr L reg
1977 white Datsun 100a f2 S reg
1983 White Toyota Tercel 4x4
1987 Brown Toyota Tercel 4x4
1988 Blue Toyota Tercel 4x4
1999 Toyota Corolla vvti est
2005 Ford ranger thunder XLT
because one triumph just isnt enough
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AlanH
Re: Steering U/J ?
Interesting to know the name of the joint Matt. I have never been convinced about replacing it with a U/J , it's obviously not one.
I assumed that it had something to do with cushioning the steering.
However I know that many people have used a U/J and it seems the compatible replacements are not exactly top quality.
I assumed that it had something to do with cushioning the steering.
However I know that many people have used a U/J and it seems the compatible replacements are not exactly top quality.
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GrahamFountain
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Re: Steering U/J ?
As something of a professional pedant, I have to say that my "bottom" one is a UJ, and a forged one too.Karlos wrote:How come the silly bottom joint is called a UJ by so many of us, surely the pedants among us must be bursting blood vessels!!!
Not only better than the fake FAM1718s, like below around, but safer by far.
Don't it worry you when a vendor can't even be bothered to find a picture of one that's not rusty?
Graham
The 16v Slant 4 engine is more fun than the 3.5 V8, because you mostly drive it on the upslope of the torque curve.
Factory 1977 TR7 Sprint FHC VVC 697S (Now all of, but still needs putting together)
B&Y 73 Dolomite Sprint UVB 274M (kids!)
1970 Maroon 13/60 Herald Convertable (wife's fun car).
Factory 1977 TR7 Sprint FHC VVC 697S (Now all of, but still needs putting together)
B&Y 73 Dolomite Sprint UVB 274M (kids!)
1970 Maroon 13/60 Herald Convertable (wife's fun car).
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matt of the vivas
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Re: Steering U/J ?
Me neither - its meant to provide some cushioning, not flexibility like a UJ. Layrubs are used to stop vibration, not provide variation in angle like a UJ.AlanH wrote:I have never been convinced about replacing it with a U/J , it's obviously not one.