Windscreen rubber

[AlanH]

Going on from my previous post, I'm having one heck of a job fitting my windscreen.

I got the new rubber from here :-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Toled ... 2749.l2649

One thing that I noticed when I got it was that it was labelled as 'Triumph 1500 & Toledo' and I'm just wondering if there is a difference between that and the 1850.

Has anybody fitted these before?

[dollyman]

personally if it were me, i would get a windsreen fitter to do it.
even though i ran my own garage for 35years! it was much easier as they were doing it day in day out.
just my opinion

[Jon Tilson]

That's the baines seal by the sound of it. Its made for the toughened zebrazone screen fitted to those cars and some early dollies. It will leak if used with a laminated screen in my limited experience. It will also probably split and perish in the corners with a year or so.

We have tried on various occasions to source better seals from the carious parts of the dolomite community. I'm not sure what the current situation is. Even so they aren't too hard to fit with screen sealer bead around the aperture and a length of bicycle brake cable inner to pull the seal lip over the body flange.

Jonners

[Carledo]

That's the baines seal by the sound of it. Its made for the toughened zebrazone screen fitted to those cars and some early dollies. It will leak if used with a laminated screen in my limited experience. It will also probably split and perish in the corners with a year or so.

We have tried on various occasions to source better seals from the carious parts of the dolomite community. I'm not sure what the current situation is. Even so they aren't too hard to fit with screen sealer bead around the aperture and a length of bicycle brake cable inner to pull the seal lip over the body flange.

Jonners

Here we go again! THERE IS ONLY ONE SCREEN SEAL FOR DOLOMITES!!!!! Toughened or laminated, 1970 Toledo or 1980 Sprint, tinted or plain, it's the SAME seal!!! The reason nobody wants to remake the seal better is cos nobody but Jonners has trouble with the Baines made one which is readily and cheaply available through all the usual suspects. I've done the research, made the enquiries and watched my tame windscreen fitter fit a Baines seal (to a 75 Laminated, tinted screen Sprint) and seal it up in 15 minutes flat. That car has been out in my yard, uncovered all last winter and to date, not a drop of water has got past it! Even Chris Witor sells them and he's really picky about quality. But they do need to be sealed in with goop if they are not going to leak!
Nylon clothesline is the best string to use for fitting, bowden cable is too sharp and can cut the rubber.

Steve

[cleverusername]

That's the baines seal by the sound of it. Its made for the toughened zebrazone screen fitted to those cars and some early dollies. It will leak if used with a laminated screen in my limited experience. It will also probably split and perish in the corners with a year or so.

We have tried on various occasions to source better seals from the carious parts of the dolomite community. I'm not sure what the current situation is. Even so they aren't too hard to fit with screen sealer bead around the aperture and a length of bicycle brake cable inner to pull the seal lip over the body flange.

Jonners

Here we go again! THERE IS ONLY ONE SCREEN SEAL FOR DOLOMITES!!!!! Toughened or laminated, 1970 Toledo or 1980 Sprint, tinted or plain, it's the SAME seal!!! The reason nobody wants to remake the seal better is cos nobody but Jonners has trouble with the Baines made one which is readily and cheaply available through all the usual suspects. I've done the research, made the enquiries and watched my tame windscreen fitter fit a Baines seal (to a 75 Laminated, tinted screen Sprint) and seal it up in 15 minutes flat. That car has been out in my yard, uncovered all last winter and to date, not a drop of water has got past it! Even Chris Witor sells them and he's really picky about quality. But they do need to be sealed in with goop if they are not going to leak!
Nylon clothesline is the best string to use for fitting, bowden cable is too sharp and can cut the rubber.

Steve

That is my experience as well, I replaced by screen due to chips and other damage. Having read about the quality of the rubbers I was dreading the results. Actually it has been fine, the new seal I sourced off ebay fits better than the original and after a year it still looks brand new and doesn't leak. I assume it must be the Baines one.

Of course I did get a professional window fitter to fit it for me.

[Jon Tilson]

Happy to send you pics of my perished seal on ERO if you want evidence...but it doesnt leak through the screen gap.

To be fair it was a while ago. If the rubber formulation has changed then lets hope the current ones are better. I can also show you pics
of one on my other car which is a long ago purchased one been in 5 years and no issues...unipart on the wrapper IIRC. Never heard of Baines
when I got it from six spares in Twickenham sadly long departed.


Sadly I sold HOH a while ago. Not sure if Jeffers still comes on here to report now but that split pretty early on and leaked too with the laminated screen.

I thought parts books of the day showed alternative numbers?

Jonners

[Carledo]

I only have 2 parts lists, a Toledo one dated January 74 and a Sprint one from September 75. In the Toledo one, only 2 screens are listed, the normal toughened and a laminated for Norwegian market only. The Sprint one lists 5 assorted screens in both toughened and laminated glass. But in both cases, only one rubber is offered, that being part number 904111.

I've spoken at length to Chris Witor about making both front and rear screen rubbers for Dolomites from his new wonder material. He already makes a rear seal for the T2000 in this stuff, which has an identical section to both the Dolomite seals, so all the hard work has been done!
But he told me (and I quote) "i've had no complaints about the Baines seal that I sell for Dolomites and I don't see a market for the (rather more expensive) remanufactured ones in the new material"

Steve

[AlanH]

Well there seems to be a difference between the original that came out and the Baines one in that the original looks thicker.
By this I mean the thickness of the rubber between the outer flange and the inner one that lips over the body.

Having said that this may just be because it is a pattern part.

The problems that I had were that there was hardly any lip going over the the sides and top of the inside of the car and the rubber was not sitting flush on the glass. Perhaps we needed to bash the screen harder to push it further into the body.

The original rubber is still in reasonable shape so we have put it back ( it went in with no problem but that may be because its already been fitted).

I will keep the Baines one but may well get a professional if I want it fitted in the future!!!

[sprint95m]

I'll be using the T2000 EPDM ones from Chris Witor. Three seals will make two for a Dolomite.


It has been my intention to commission a batch of EPDM front Dolomite seals but now I have changed my mind.
I was willing to go £1000 on this even though it could take 3 - 5 years to get my money back (?)
but I am now thinking that there are not enough discerning owners out there .





Ian.

[SprintMWU773V]

Is the big cost not the extrusion tool? Therefore is it not just a case of extruding a suitable length of rubber? Though I admit I don't know if they are joined together or somehow moulded?

When I explored the Australian seals a few years ago it was indicated to me that club funds would be available to secure an order of seals. I'd like to think that this would still stand.

I for one would be interested in a good quality seal.

[sprint95m]

The extrusion tool exists, (in fact both types exist)
the problem is that the T2000 seals made from it are not long enough.

For £1000 I was hoping for 18 - 20 front windscreen seals.
When you add in postage costs you are probably looking at £60 each,
I don't think there are enough folk who would go that kind of money.



Ian.

[new to this]

I'll be using the T2000 EPDM ones from Chris Witor. Three seals will make two for a Dolomite.


It has been my intention to commission a batch of EPDM front Dolomite seals but now I have changed my mind.
I was willing to go £1000 on this even though it could take 3 - 5 years to get my money back (?)
but I am now thinking that there are not enough discerning owners out there .





Ian.

Ian

i know the triumph 2000 and dolomite windscreen rubbers seals are different part numbers,but are they the same size ?

Dave

[sprint95m]

Ian

i know the triumph 2000 and dolomite windscreen rubbers seals are different part numbers,but are they the same size ?

Dave

T2000 back window rubbers are the same profile as those used on Dolomites, there are two types ……

facelift 2000 back (has a strip insert) is the same profile as all Dolomites front and all Sprints and late Dolomite back,
pre-facelift 2000 back (no insert) is the same as early Dolomite back.



Ian.

[new to this]

Ian

i know the triumph 2000 and dolomite windscreen rubbers seals are different part numbers,but are they the same size ?

Dave

T2000 back window rubbers are the same profile as those used on Dolomites, there are two types ……

facelift 2000 back (has a strip insert) is the same profile as all Dolomites front and all Sprints and late Dolomite back,
pre-facelift 2000 back (no insert) is the same as early Dolomite back.



Ian.

Ian

when you say (strip insert) i take it you mean the chrome trim ? has any one used a triumph T2000 window rubber to fit a dolomite ?

Thanks Dave