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Re: Dolomite based Robin Hood Kit Car

#16 Post by al695 »

Hi that was good advice.

It has AE cast into the under side of its skirt.

Did a search on the internet and found EP engine supplies.

She found 2 manufacturers one quote was just shy of 500 quid for set plus rings and pins.

The other manufacturer is on holiday and wont be back till next week so hoping that is a more reasonable price.

Otherwise is anyone in the market for a 3cyl Robin Hood. :snivel:

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#17 Post by GrahamFountain »

al695 wrote:Otherwise is anyone in the market for a 3cyl Robin Hood. :snivel:
The cost is what's got me concerned, too. The best I could find easily is £655, inc. vat, for a set of forged ones: http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/pistons/je322669.

So with TR7 pistons only about £200-230 a set, they've got to be a seriously tempting alternative. The problem with using TR7 ones, would be that you've some work to check the head's not skimmed too far - from that other post:
trackerjack wrote:It would appear that if you fit the head with no gasket and turn it carefully by hand if it does not touch you have a winner.
And even if it has been over-skimmed, I would hope you can get the valve cut-outs cut for a bit less than £300 a set - 'spose it depends how many you do at once.

The other thing with fitting TR7 pistons is that you should be able to reduce the compression a bit, so that you can run safely on ordinary unleaded. I know there are those who reckon you can do that by just re-profiling your distributor advance curve, but I think I'd feel a bit happier doing it by having less compression. There will be some loss of power - however you do it -, but in something like the Robin Hood, I bet you won't notice on the road. If it's a completion or trackday car, I would have thought you want the forged pistons anyway.

It's a shame Rimmers are only knocking out the US spec low compression TR7 pistons for £56.50 a set in std size. I wonder what their standard size used blocks are like for 120 quid? In need of a rebore, I should think.

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Re: Dolomite based Robin Hood Kit Car

#18 Post by al695 »

Yes thanks for that.
The standard block from Rimmers was one of the alternatives I was offered when I spoke to them yesterday. As you say there are no guarantee with it and would be looking at a rebuild from scratch.
I think he said they do an oversize piston but only to +30.

Fingers crossed

Allan
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#19 Post by al695 »

Hi just a bit of info.

Have found a receipt from Keighley Engine Reconditioners back in 98 for a new piston but no mention of a re-bore.

The whole bill for piston, re-shimming and a new water pump only comes to £364 +Vat.

How times have changed!!

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#20 Post by al695 »

Just another update.

Clever chap at Willenhall Engines has solved the +.508 code on the piston. this refers to .508mm or 20tho'.
Obvious now!!!

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#21 Post by xvivalve »

I did tell you that after you asked the question ;-)
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#22 Post by al695 »

Sorry missed that in your post.

Appologises :oops:
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#23 Post by xvivalve »

I've found three +20 AE pistons, two of which are relatively low mileage from the Quicksprint engine before it dropped a valve (damaging the other two), but they are 1D19 W46 and the third is a random one I have for some reason which is marked +20 rather than .508 and has no other discernable marks. There is some minor pitting to the crown, but with new rings I think it useable (the first two probably don't require rings)

I believe the W46 and S29A are to do with the weight? I'm sure someone will come along and confirm or refute shortly?

With gudgeon pin (but no circlip) and rings intact, the W46 piston weighs 654 grams, whereas the random one weighs 511 grams with rings but no pin or circlips.

I'll reply to your e-mail now...
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#24 Post by al695 »

Hi again.
Been sometime but holidays and other stuff has got in the way.
Have now got to the position of rebuilding the lump after replacing the piston but have come up against a snag.
Basically I cant get the camshaft sprocket back into the camshaft. Have got the crankshaft and camshaft marks lined up to top dead center but the bolt hole in the sprocket is half a hole low and I can't get the bolt back in.
The support bracket seems to be preventing the sprocket being lifted to go back into position and no amount of swearing and levering will get it back in.
When I took the sprocket off it did jump back with a thump and now seems that the spring tension and the support bracket are preventing it going back.
Is the sprocket a snug fit in the camshaft should this be as hard as it seems to be? Have turned the engine past tdc and back again to try putting slack in there but to no effect.


Anyone got any advice?
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#25 Post by Mad Mart »

The threaded stud in the centre of the camshaft sprocket should be clear of the bracket before lining up the sprocket to the camshaft.
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#26 Post by Jon Tilson »

I suspect your timing chain tensioner has popped out and is stopping the sprocket from aligning with the cam.
Take it off and reset it all the way in and it should all line up.

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#27 Post by al695 »

Hmm here's an update.
Thought I would just unbolt the timing chain cover and have a look at the tensioner, Lo and behold it had popped out and could just see the spring hanging out. The slipper had come out and dropped into the bottom of the case.
After using all the swear words I could think of and a few more had to set about getting the front pulley off.
With socket and a breaker bar from a popular manufacturer. Stripped off the radiator, alternator etc to get a good access to the bolt. (Cursing the guy that put this thing together, why he used bolts inches too long???!!!!! XXXx ) Dropped the sump again and jammed a chock in the crankshaft swung with all my might on the end of the bar only to see it bend.
Grrrr and little voice from the kitchen. "You are taking your time with that!!". Wondered if temporary insanity is a defence for murder.

Anyway after wrenching a length of scaffold which had been holding up one end of the washing line out the garden. Cut it to a manageable length swung on the end and the bolt gave with a rush and ended up in a heap with pole and glasses all over the place. Again a voice from the kitchen "Do you know what you are doing". Reply un-printable.

After more swearing when the pulley wouldn't come off as the steering rack and cross-member where in the way finally got the cover off.

What do you think? Should I renew the tensioner or put this one back to-gether. Also would it be prudent to change the oil seal at this time?

Will the wife have anymore smart comments>

Cheers Al
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#28 Post by al695 »

Hi again
Right having replaced the chain tensioner and then replaced the head taking care to line the timing marks on cam shaft and crank pulley.

It won't start? Checked and getting spark and fuel but not a peep.

Found when No1 at TDC and both inlet and exhaust are on rock the rotor arm is pointing to No4.?

I'm guessing the distributor is 180deg out but the chain hasn't been off. The tensioner just popped out so don't think that would have caused it to be that far out.
Very puzzled. Could I have got the camshaft 180 out when I put the head back on? I have rotated it by hand and it all feels normal.
Is the Dolomite engine an interference and would I have been able to turn it over by hand without valve and cylinder colliding?
Have took some pic's if someone can tell me if I'm seeing this right.

Many thanks again.

Allan
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#29 Post by Mad Mart »

Remove the dizzy and rotate it until the rotor arm is pointing towards the lug on the casing. The dizzy will rotate as you drop it in so you need to go past slightly to start with. You'll see what I mean when you try it.
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#30 Post by tony g »

Hard to get prospective with the pics that large but, If crank timing mark is at tdc and the cam groove lines up with the groove in the ali cam cap it is on compression No1. If the rotor is facing No4 at this point either lift the dizzy out and spin it 180 OR swap the lead sin the cap. Swap 1 and 4 then 2 and 3. HTH

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