Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:15 pm
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Sprint 123 USB dizzy
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Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:42 pm
I'm watching this with great interest for YGD.
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:19 pm
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:20 am
Done a tuning session yesterday afternoon, much easier with a rolling road as opposed to screaming up and down the road.
According to the Peter (the) tuner, I'm getting 125bhp at the flywheel and 110bhp at the wheel.
How good this is, I am not sure, however Steve (Carledo) who has driven my car during various stages will probably be a better
judge.
According to the Peter (the) tuner, I'm getting 125bhp at the flywheel and 110bhp at the wheel.
How good this is, I am not sure, however Steve (Carledo) who has driven my car during various stages will probably be a better
judge.
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:45 am
110 at the wheels is a strong std sprint what does have the cam timing correct. Normally it's somewhere around 105 at the wheels. Maybe you can gain by advancing a bit more? You are very at the safe side with that curve and you don't go backwards in degrees in the higher revs. You can but that's losing power and when it's done it's meant to be a sort of rev limiter. Cutting power by retarding the ignition at higher revs.
Jeroen
Jeroen
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:13 pm
I've been in correspondence with 123ignition and they can do a Sprint distributor if you send them the old one as they need to take pieces out of it (the cog mostly). The price is a bit steep but apparently it transforms the engine (all other things being sound).
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:40 pm
How steep ??ham204 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:13 pm I've been in correspondence with 123ignition and they can do a Sprint distributor if you send them the old one as they need to take pieces out of it (the cog mostly). The price is a bit steep but apparently it transforms the engine (all other things being sound).
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:49 pm
It's not 123 themselves who do the conversion, and personally I would not recommend it.
The last time I contacted them was in Oct 2015, and they quoted, £430 for the 16 position 123
(not recommended for a Sprint) or £530 for a USB version, which was a lot more than the 123.
Yes it does retain the original look, however, a few people who have had these done have been complaining
of it being faulty upon receipt, or it breaking down after a while.
Where I had the car on the rolling road, the tester commented he has seen a few failures of the converted type, but
not the 123 original design.
But so far, good news, the car was taken up to Stoneleigh and back with no problems, other than I was early and holding
the car back at 50 mph, it was not pleased with me, and just wanted to shift, (did so on the return).
I've done a few local trips with no problems, but currentyly have the front seats out for a changeover.
Idle is much improved, there is more to be had in terms of the advance curve and that can be felt during a drive, but then, I did ask
the tester to hold of at 5500rpm.
Once the seats are sorted this weekend, it's all about going for a drive (somewhere / some direction) and testing.
The last time I contacted them was in Oct 2015, and they quoted, £430 for the 16 position 123
(not recommended for a Sprint) or £530 for a USB version, which was a lot more than the 123.
Yes it does retain the original look, however, a few people who have had these done have been complaining
of it being faulty upon receipt, or it breaking down after a while.
Where I had the car on the rolling road, the tester commented he has seen a few failures of the converted type, but
not the 123 original design.
But so far, good news, the car was taken up to Stoneleigh and back with no problems, other than I was early and holding
the car back at 50 mph, it was not pleased with me, and just wanted to shift, (did so on the return).
I've done a few local trips with no problems, but currentyly have the front seats out for a changeover.
Idle is much improved, there is more to be had in terms of the advance curve and that can be felt during a drive, but then, I did ask
the tester to hold of at 5500rpm.
Once the seats are sorted this weekend, it's all about going for a drive (somewhere / some direction) and testing.
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:04 pm
Mahesh is totally right.
123 does only sell complete ignitions and does not put their stuff in used housings. That is another company which sells 123 distributors and does the conversions and want's to forcome that they are 123 themselves. But they are not.
Their conversions do ruïn a good product. I have had many faulty ones in the past. I did fit a few of their conversions for customers because of mechanical rev drives for some Triumphs thus needing an 123 in an original distributor housing. They don't last and I advice not to fit one. They turn not as freely as the original. Just not the thing to have.
When I now fit one in a TR or spit I just say that a mechanical rev is not possible, so no mechanical rev or no 123 fitted by me. Only an electronic rev counter conversion by me.
That was the main reason to design and manufacture the adapter for the slant engines now available by Mahesh. Put the whole 123 in a slant and not a conversion made by 123conversions. When you know a good machineshop let them make the parts you need for your dizzy. A ring inside the dizzy to fit on the electronics and a new solid dizzy shaft if you really need the 123 inside an original distributor.
And don't have the special coil supplied by them as the special one very special for the 123. They supply an 0,6 Ohm coil and you need a 1 Ohm coil at least.........
Jeroen
123 does only sell complete ignitions and does not put their stuff in used housings. That is another company which sells 123 distributors and does the conversions and want's to forcome that they are 123 themselves. But they are not.
Their conversions do ruïn a good product. I have had many faulty ones in the past. I did fit a few of their conversions for customers because of mechanical rev drives for some Triumphs thus needing an 123 in an original distributor housing. They don't last and I advice not to fit one. They turn not as freely as the original. Just not the thing to have.
When I now fit one in a TR or spit I just say that a mechanical rev is not possible, so no mechanical rev or no 123 fitted by me. Only an electronic rev counter conversion by me.
That was the main reason to design and manufacture the adapter for the slant engines now available by Mahesh. Put the whole 123 in a slant and not a conversion made by 123conversions. When you know a good machineshop let them make the parts you need for your dizzy. A ring inside the dizzy to fit on the electronics and a new solid dizzy shaft if you really need the 123 inside an original distributor.
And don't have the special coil supplied by them as the special one very special for the 123. They supply an 0,6 Ohm coil and you need a 1 Ohm coil at least.........
Jeroen
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:25 pm
Not so far of these figures I was considering using with a megajolt.
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:10 pm
600+mahony wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:40 pmHow steep ??ham204 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:13 pm I've been in correspondence with 123ignition and they can do a Sprint distributor if you send them the old one as they need to take pieces out of it (the cog mostly). The price is a bit steep but apparently it transforms the engine (all other things being sound).
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:13 pm
Thanksham204 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:10 pm600+mahony wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:40 pmHow steep ??ham204 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:13 pm I've been in correspondence with 123ignition and they can do a Sprint distributor if you send them the old one as they need to take pieces out of it (the cog mostly). The price is a bit steep but apparently it transforms the engine (all other things being sound).
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:16 pm
These are the people I spoke to: http://www.123ignition.nl/products.phtml?brand= - so these are not the original 123igniton?soe8m wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:04 pm Mahesh is totally right.
123 does only sell complete ignitions and does not put their stuff in used housings. That is another company which sells 123 distributors and does the conversions and want's to forcome that they are 123 themselves. But they are not.
Their conversions do ruïn a good product. I have had many faulty ones in the past. I did fit a few of their conversions for customers because of mechanical rev drives for some Triumphs thus needing an 123 in an original distributor housing. They don't last and I advice not to fit one. They turn not as freely as the original. Just not the thing to have.
When I now fit one in a TR or spit I just say that a mechanical rev is not possible, so no mechanical rev or no 123 fitted by me. Only an electronic rev counter conversion by me.
That was the main reason to design and manufacture the adapter for the slant engines now available by Mahesh. Put the whole 123 in a slant and not a conversion made by 123conversions. When you know a good machineshop let them make the parts you need for your dizzy. A ring inside the dizzy to fit on the electronics and a new solid dizzy shaft if you really need the 123 inside an original distributor.
And don't have the special coil supplied by them as the special one very special for the 123. They supply an 0,6 Ohm coil and you need a 1 Ohm coil at least.........
Jeroen
Re: Sprint 123 USB dizzy
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:59 pm
Yes, that is the manufacturer. But these don't make any for a dolomite sprint. Only the universal Lucas types for the 4 and 6 cilinders. Mechanical rev drive not available.
This company does manufacture: http://www.123ignition-conversions.nl/ These buy complete ignitions form 123 and modify themselves. Not original products.
This is also a spin off but only sells the original products: https://www.123ignitionshop.com/nl/35-triumph
Jeroen
This company does manufacture: http://www.123ignition-conversions.nl/ These buy complete ignitions form 123 and modify themselves. Not original products.
This is also a spin off but only sells the original products: https://www.123ignitionshop.com/nl/35-triumph
Jeroen