'74 Toledo project

[PurposeUndefined]

Decided to start one of these threads as i have begun some of the proper work on my little toledo!

This thread will cover the light resto work i've got planned through autumn and winter, here's a bunch of pics to show what's happened/heppening!

Stripped half the engine down today, going to clean it all out as it's full of 38 years of slime! Basically just get everything smooth, shiny and looking nice!

This is the engine bay beforehand, recently painted my rocker cover but i think i'm going to sell it and buy a nice new one!




Removed the carb, probably going to start cleaning that up tonight/tomorrow

Off comes the rocker cover..


& i've took the head off as well, but dark at this point to take photos though!

Probably going to buy a new set of hoses and gaskets pretty soon, depending on if i can get the money :/

But that's how it is now, i'll post more pics with each little change i make!

[tinweevil]

Since you've got the head off anyway it looks like the wrong stud has been used for the forward fixing of the rear engine lifting eye, there should be more thread protruding from the top of the nut. Compare all the head studs, 2 are a little bit longer than the rest and these should be used in that corner. Very common rebuild mistake.

Would it not have been a good idea to check you can afford a new gasket set before removing the head Get the set from Wins (he only sells Payen head gaskets) or specify Payen if buying elsewhere. Anything else is like wiping your arse on fivers.

[PurposeUndefined]

Since you've got the head off anyway it looks like the wrong stud has been used for the forward fixing of the rear engine lifting eye, there should be more thread protruding from the top of the nut. Compare all the head studs, 2 are a little bit longer than the rest and these should be used in that corner. Very common rebuild mistake.

Would it not have been a good idea to check you can afford a new gasket set before removing the head Get the set from Wins (he only sells Payen head gaskets) or specify Payen if buying elsewhere. Anything else is like wiping your arse on fivers.

Ahh, i see what you mean, thanks for pointing that out, i'll sort it out upon rebuilding!
& thanks for the tip, shall do then & i don't need new gaskets particularily, i was just saying how i may replace them anyway for piece of mind, depending how much I can find them for - but hoses do need replacing, found a set for just over £30, seems ok to me!

[JPB]

Yes, you do need new gaskets.

[PurposeUndefined]

Yes, you do need new gaskets.

Fair enough, i'll get myself some on order then

[PurposeUndefined]

Been doing some work on the toledo's engine over the week, just generally tidyng up the engine bay, here's a few pics!














Decided i don't like the look of the rocker cover in silver, just doesn't look right IMO, so i've re-sanded it down and it's being done in crinkle finish black tomorrow



Also re-adjusted the front wheel bearings today, to get rid of some of the play



& here's the head, mid way through being 'de-carbonised', & the outside of it will be polished up all nice and shiny as well!

So on the list for tomorrow is to repaint the top of the carb, ( the black plastic bit ) as it's been scratched lightly all over, and to replaint my rocker cover, more pictures will follow!

Also, new gaskets and rubber hoses will be ordered soon, and the valves will be removed so the inside of the head can be fully emptied of 38 years of gunk!

Thanks,
Dan

[DoloWIGHTY]

Also re-adjusted the front wheel bearings today, to get rid of some of the play

You do know of course that they are suppose to have some play in them? If you take it all out you'll ruin your bearings in a short time.

[PurposeUndefined]

Also re-adjusted the front wheel bearings today, to get rid of some of the play

You do know of course that they are suppose to have some play in them? If you take it all out you'll ruin your bearings in a short time.

Yeah, it was really quite bad beforehand, just trying to sort a few jobs out, towards an MOT

[JPB]

Also re-adjusted the front wheel bearings today, to get rid of some of the play

You do know of course that they are suppose to have some play in them? If you take it all out you'll ruin your bearings in a short time.

Alan is, as is usually the case, bang on the money. As long as some play is evident, then taper rollers will last & last and eventually wear a little allowing plenty of notice of their demise. Tighten them though, and they'll overheat, burn off their grease and collapse in dramatic style.

The following image shows an inner bearing that overheated as a result of being tightened:

The owner of the car was lucky as - by some miracle - the outer bearing held the wheel on until she was able to get to the safety of the verge.
Note how even the outer bearing has blued as a result of the heat that built up.

[PurposeUndefined]

Also re-adjusted the front wheel bearings today, to get rid of some of the play

You do know of course that they are suppose to have some play in them? If you take it all out you'll ruin your bearings in a short time.

Alan is, as is usually the case, bang on the money. As long as some play is evident, then taper rollers will last & last and eventually wear a little allowing plenty of notice of their demise. Tighten them though, and they'll overheat, burn off their grease and collapse in dramatic style.

The following image shows an inner bearing that overheated as a result of being tightened:

The owner of the car was lucky as - by some miracle - the outer bearing held the wheel on until she was able to get to the safety of the verge.
Note how even the outer bearing has blued as a result of the heat that built up.

Wow, that's really quite something!
But yes, I did leave some play in it, so hopefully my wheel bearing won't be shattering into pieces for me any time soon!

[JPB]

[Mad Mart]

But yes, I did leave some play in it

There should be a minimum/maximum end float figure. Use a dial gauge or feeler gauges to achieve a figure within the range, don't just guess it.

[Carledo]

But yes, I did leave some play in it

There should be a minimum/maximum end float figure. Use a dial gauge or feeler gauges to achieve a figure within the range, don't just guess it.

Come on Mart, it's a Toledo not a Maclaren! I been doing this for 40 years and never once used a dial or feeler on a taper bearing of this sort. My rule of thumb is to tighten the nut up with a pair of pliers used end on, (the amount of torque ANYONE can apply is drastically limited this way) then find the nearest splitpin hole and tighten or loosen slightly to suit and Rob is your fathers brother! Check for play afterwards with the wheel on, the merest suggestion of slop is just about perfect!

Steve

[JPB]

merest suggestion

Couldn't have put it better!

[Mad Mart]

But yes, I did leave some play in it

There should be a minimum/maximum end float figure. Use a dial gauge or feeler gauges to achieve a figure within the range, don't just guess it.

Come on Mart, it's a Toledo not a Sprint! I been doing this for 40 years and never once used a dial or feeler on a taper bearing of this sort. My rule of thumb is to tighten the nut up with a pair of pliers used end on, (the amount of torque ANYONE can apply is drastically limited this way) then find the nearest splitpin hole and tighten or loosen slightly to suit and Rob is your fathers brother! Check for play afterwards with the wheel on, the merest suggestion of slop is just about perfect!

Steve

To each their own.