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Over a year ago someone whose word on the subject of welders cannot be questioned purchased an R-Tech iMig 160 in the end of season (if there is such a thing) sale. I'd been on the look out for a good welder since moving from Surrey to Gloucestershire in 2012 so straight away I'm paying attention. I need a welder as I used to borrow a friends back in Surrey but inconsiderately the bugger wanted to keep it when I moved. It needed to be a good welder because I'm not. So, immediately I tried to purchase the same model but it was out of stock.
After months of watching the R-Tech site like a hawk it became apparent that the cheeky bar steward had had the last iMig 160, new models had replaced it. Since the new models were cheaper and looked it I was back to square 1. Another source whose welding is superb recommended a Lorch but at well over a grand I'm out. So what to do?
At the next end of season sale I snaffled this, the next model up:
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One problem solved, another created; it is a bit of a beast and requires a 20A supply*. The wiring in my garage was, shall we say, a tad rustic. Fortunately the armoured cable from the house is rated for 20A so 'all' I needed do was replace the geriatric wiring with something a bit more industrial.

Out went 2 fused spurs bodged straight onto the end of the cable, in came a proper termination box and 5 way consumer unit with RCBOs
Out went 1 circuit feeding the entire garage & external lights, in came 4.
1) Out went 2 broken bulb holders (1 garage, 1 workshop - gloooomy). In came 15 on 3 circuits; 4x 22watt CFL for workshop, 8x22w CFL for garage and 3x11w LED for the walkway through (LED for fast start)
2) Out went 2 broken floodlights on the most bizarre and shite wiring I have ever seen, in came a sensible number of appropriate fittings.
3) Well, that's the sockets and is still to be done. There were 2 doubles and a broken single socket for the whole garage. When I get back to the job there will be 8 or so metalclad doubles. For the moment there's just the 2 healthy doubles on temporary wiring.
4) One of these for the welder:
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The 2nd fused spur/5th RCBO feeds a further shed. As with the feed to the garage this is on a perfectly appropriate armoured cable but the terminations were 'creative', now they are safe.
Here we go.
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So what work of art did I undertake as my first job? Cill? Wing? Is it as was described of the Lorch - about as hard as squeezing toothpaste? Hard to say having only used about 2 feet of wire extracting a sheared bolt from a GT6 fuel tank mounting.
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My next highly demanding project will be the repair of a gate. Onwards and upwards.

* It is highly unlikely it will ever need the full 20A in the sort of work I shall be doing. I have an extensive range of test equipment with which I can verify or disprove that theory.
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#2 Post by Jon Tilson »

Sweet work.
You should be able to power a single phase 2 post lift with that lot. Is the roof high enough?

If so I'm moving next door...

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#3 Post by dave comer »

The socket outlet for your welder is only rated at 16amps so be a bit careful and keep an eye on it. You have said that you are not likely to use the full output but better safe than sorry.
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#4 Post by Edin Dundee »

How can you tell that from the pictures Dave?
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#5 Post by swifty »

So what work of art did I undertake as my first job? Cill? Wing? Is it as was described of the Lorch - about as hard as squeezing toothpaste? Hard to say having only used about 2 feet of wire extracting a sheared bolt from a GT6 fuel tank mounting.

My next highly demanding project will be the repair of a gate. Onwards and upwards.
Ah, but isn't that the beauty of having a welder? Once you have one they quickly become as useful a tool as a set of spanners, as it opens up possibilities of repairing things and fabricating new objects that just weren't available to you before...couldn't be without mine now :mrgreen:
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#6 Post by dave comer »

Edin Dundee wrote:How can you tell that from the pictures Dave?

The socket outlets are colour coded for different amperage ratings,red, yellow , blue. The socket shown is the same as is commonly used for mains hook-up for caravans etc which are rated at 16 amps
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#7 Post by george »

have run an 'oxford' stick and have a portamig 185 have used both from a 13 amp plug but do have 16 available admit not at full on but landrover chassis and a bit larger with no issues and without tripping the switches in the consumer unit and the extra one for the 16 feed built into it
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dave comer wrote:
Edin Dundee wrote:How can you tell that from the pictures Dave?

The socket outlets are colour coded for different amperage ratings,red, yellow , blue. The socket shown is the same as is commonly used for mains hook-up for caravans etc which are rated at 16 amps
Although oddly I've discovered blue can be any of them!..
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geeksteve wrote:
dave comer wrote:
Edin Dundee wrote:How can you tell that from the pictures Dave?

The socket outlets are colour coded for different amperage ratings,red, yellow , blue. The socket shown is the same as is commonly used for mains hook-up for caravans etc which are rated at 16 amps
Although oddly I've discovered blue can be any of them!..
I thought Yellow was for 110v stuff!

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#10 Post by Edin Dundee »

dave comer wrote:
Edin Dundee wrote:How can you tell that from the pictures Dave?

The socket outlets are colour coded for different amperage ratings,red, yellow , blue. The socket shown is the same as is commonly used for mains hook-up for caravans etc which are rated at 16 amps
Ahh, not quite Dave.
Yellow is 110v
Red is 3-phase, either 3-pin or 4-pin
Blue is 230V - I know you get 16A and 32A versions, there may be more.
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Jon Tilson wrote:Sweet work.
You should be able to power a single phase 2 post lift with that lot. Is the roof high enough?

If so I'm moving next door...

Jonners
Regrettably not Jon. Given where you are vs the cost of property round here you could probably swap for a large mansion and a couple of industrial units. Fill one with toys such as that lift and the other with Triumphs.
Edin Dundee wrote:Ahh, not quite Dave.
Yellow is 110v
Red is 3-phase, either 3-pin or 4-pin
Blue is 230V - I know you get 16A and 32A versions, there may be more.
I thought the same and the pictures on this page agree. It is this one that I requested but as there were other things on the order incorrect I shall check.
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#12 Post by dave comer »

Apologies for any mis-information. I am putting this down to medication,age and the fact that I have been out of the Electrical game for a little while and have not kept up with new products and gizmos as much as I would like.
My latest toy ia a.DC to AC inverter. 1600w peak and 800w continuous.
We are very prone to power-cuts where I live so at least I will have some power for lights and the telly come the inevitable this winter. £55 from Europarts but they are available from all good outlets.
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#13 Post by DF »

NICE Im jealous,
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#14 Post by straylight »

The wiring in my garage was, shall we say, a tad rustic.
:)

you forgot the most important bit....how much was the beast ?

nice buy.
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#15 Post by Edin Dundee »

Hi tin, a bit late but next time check out CPC for bits and bobs:
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/search/brows ... sults=true
I recently wired a welder using the 16A blue commando sockets, the MK brand were great quality and easy to use compared to a cheaper brand.
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